wbiss

Well JoJo, if you have (as you have indicated) no talent, whatsoever, to draw with pencil & paper (and the majority of us don't), why are you tormenting yourself with thinking that you can do so in PS? [confused]

I'm being honest here! [honesty] Talent/training is one thing, but PhotoShop IS NOT going to do the drawing/painting from scratch for you. It will supply the tools (canvas, brushes, paints, etc.) but unless you're willing to "go at it"... even if your drawings are "kindergartenish" to begin with... there's just no other way.

We've posted links to drawing/painting tutuorials and, quite frankly, at this point, that's all that we can do...

JoJo

The majority of us don't?
so what the hell are WE doing in the PS forum ???

wbiss

:{ I will only say this, JoJo... we're not all "natural/traditional artists" here.

Photoshop did not start out as a "drawing/painting" program, but rather, a photo editing program. As the software has evolved and drawing/painting tools were added, yes, it has attracted more of an "artist" audience, whereby those who are skilled or inclined enough, can avail themselves of these tools and create original digital art, without the use of photographs.

If my reply/honesty has offended in you any way, I'm sorry for that.

JoJo, it's a misunderstanding of you that the tool (in this case a computer program) is the most important thing to make art, because it isn't.

Things that are much more important are (in no particular order);

- practice
- persistance
- imagination
- interest (reading, listening(!), looking around)
- joy
- patience

It's like someone who's a bad driver...no car will teach him how to do it the right way

Always be happy what you can and not with what you can't.
Every new step is progress, look back to see what you've learnt, be proud of it and you will find the energy to take the next step.

It's the mixture of talents that any board has that makes a board a great place for a large group of people; we all learn from each other, nobody ever stops learning...

kiwi

What you need is art theory.Without knowing the theory behind painting and why you do certain things you will find it hard to get a pleasing result.So what you are really asking for is "art lessons" and if you want to learn art follow some of the links the guys have provided and do a search for a site which will show you painting basics.



Stu.

JoJo

Ok guys !
Thanks for the advices [righton]

Bacardi

If you haven't outgrown the kindergarden level, then make your stuff kindergarten.
Drawing, like any kind of Art demands a lot of red hot passion and innumerable hours of practise.
If you thought you could acquire these by buying an expensive piece of software, you were wrong. There are no shortcuts here: you have to practise, practise and practise again. With the passion to want to learn, not to become someone famous or important. It is not *you* who are important, but "Art". If not, it's only another mindgame, and egotrip.

As for what people do on this forum: drawing with PS is possible, but it is only a sidebranch, nothing more. Painter is more for digital painters. But remember: buying tha won't helpyou either. You won't escape working and growing. Out of your kindergarten to start with.

my best, Erik

jpfitness

JoJo, I can't draw for peanuts either.......... if I grab the brush and make it a size 9 and draw a circle in the centre of my page it will be "kindergarden style" too but hey if I draw on that circle another half circle hmmmm....... it is starting to become either mickey mouse or a flower........ if I continue along and do a flower then more half circles will achieve this...... in the end I have a kindergarden style of drawing but hey - I did it [bustagut] have your tried to do something like this? you see when I look at how I begun to use ps my pictures looked very "kindergardenish" but as I used the program more I found using layers various brushes, styles etc changed my drawings from something that looked like my 3 year old drew to something that looks magical - to acheive this I have practised and used the program for years......... take one step at a time, try something and show us then we can suggest how you could do it differently or easier or better - that is why we are all here to help each other along - but first you need to do some very basic tutes and Mark has loads here so you don't even have to go far - then if your having trouble with any tute show us what is wrong and we will help you.

On this board there are many many helpful, giving and wonderful people that are here to help each and everyone of us........ it's just that we need to listen to what they are saying and do it - try it - it isn't going to hurt - it can only help
sfm

JoJo

yes... I must say, this forum is one of the best on the net!
The members are very kind & helpful! [righton]

gymmie

First, I'm not trying to be funny or offensive here, just responding to the question.

Photoshop's brushes can no more make someone an artist than real bristle brushes can. That said, "non-artists" CAN produce very decent art, with traditional tools as well as with painting/editing software. As many have pointed out here, it does take practice, patience, willingness to trash some awful stuff, training your eye to "see" things like lighting, shading, etc. And after throwing some stuff away, with practice, the day will come when you have a "happy accident." Or, something turns out just like you envisioned it.

JoJo, please, take the advice you've been given...it's good advice. Look at those links. And don't expect it to come automatically...it does take work, but that work, going into it with the right attitude...that of discovery and excitement...can be fun.