H.J

Agreed. Just because you are obeying a manager's instructions to play a short pass, doesn't mean you'd prefer to hit it long. I personally like to play short passes, but if I was playing for Bolton, this suddenly wouldn't disappear. Similarly with anything tactic based you have brought up. It's a good idea, and I totally agree it need a bit of tweaking, but I think your method is, if not flawed, a tad unrealistic.

pelicanstuff

Agreed. Just because you are obeying a manager's instructions to play a short pass, doesn't mean you'd prefer to hit it long. I personally like to play short passes, but if I was playing for Bolton, this suddenly wouldn't disappear. Similarly with anything tactic based you have brought up. It's a good idea, and I totally agree it need a bit of tweaking, but I think your method is, if not flawed, a tad unrealistic. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Agree with this. Regens IMO should spawn with random PPMs some of the time (yes, they should still be a rarity). They should be vaguely linked to position as well, as 'places shots' would be something you'd have so little opportunity to see in a centre-back that you couldn't know it was a preferred move.

phnompenhandy

All good points :thup:

As with many things in FM, PPMs are a recent feature and thus tends to be under-developed until one or two versions in. Let's hope that for FM09 the SI team take a closer look and make them more realistic and effective in the long-term.

nogravy

Regens do spawn with random PPMs at the moment, I just got a forward with places shots.

I think all I would like to see with regard to players gaining new PPM's would be when I tell the young player that I want him to work with the first teamer, one or both would say "Yeah, great idea" or "No, I don't think it would work" and then I would tell them to either try it anyways or forget the idea. I don't like how at the moment I have no way of knowing if they will work together well until it is to late. Having the AI use the tutoring more often would be nice as well.

lyw_85

:thup: post.

Regens should spawn more PPMs imo.
Regens are all too similar to each other for me to have some kind of "feelings" or attachment to them.

I always try to buy Lukas Podolski in FM, cos I like the way he plays.

nots

i like the idea except the only problem with having certain stats dictate whether or not you have a chance of getting a ppm is that lower league managers will not be able to get their players to get ppm's. Maybe the stats could scale according to their reputation and the leagues reputation or something along those lines

Klimowicz

i suggested ages ago that PPMs should appear in a players profile the more matches he plays doing certain things. for example, "plays short, simple passes" should appear when a youngish player has been told to do so in matches and his passing attribute is developing well. this would work like when you are retraining a CM to an AMC/DMC and you play him there in games.

and it shouldn't really matter if a player has 20 or 10 for passing either. i'm sure there are plenty League 2 players who have certain trademark abilities similar to gerrard or fabregas, but obviously not as world class.

Veg

I agree with you there. In my case I always setthe full backs to do forward runs often and also to run with ball often. After some time with that tactic the player should have adopted that style of play as his own and PPM's should be gets forward whenever possible and run with ball down right.

x42bn6

Apparently, Wayne Rooney tutors youngsters in this game telling them to argue with officials.

Which is my only pet peeve of these moves since there is absolutely no way Rooney would tell a youngster to go and tell Rob Styles to eff off in training.

I'm designing a game which moves along tendencies - for example, Roy Keane is more likely to tackle, while Paolo Maldini is more likely to "shadow" the attacker and run them off the ball. Evra is more likely to get forward all the time while Silvestre is more likely to stay back. And in both cases, a lot of defenders fall in between these extremes.

I think eventually this makes more sense, because then players could adapt themselves to a team which then makes things interesting if they move. For example, how would Fabregas, whose tendencies would be to pass short with killer balls often, hold up the ball and shadow attackers, adapt to Manchester United if he moves, where his role is to pass longer, play deeper and less tempo dictation? Could he adapt at all?

pelicanstuff

Disagree. To my mind, a player will always have instinctive moves. For instance, I've never been tutored, but I run with ball down right and try killer balls often.

Of course, they never work, as I probably have about 5 for passing, but still....