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Old 06-12-2008, 11:47 PM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #41
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no energy on graphics

all on game play and managering stuff..

mayby implement and challange where u start in lowest divisions and work your way up as it was in originaly fotboll manager games on amiga and c64.

graphic means nothing. the white wallpaper in 08 was such a waste.
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:48 PM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #42
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sky sports' coverage of football is massively sensationalist and is designed to keep you watching football and make even ordinary games seem massive.

think of the average length of FM games. adding all that uneccessary fluff would get so TIRESOME after 10-20 in-game years.

and what's wrong with the way FM looks? I don't get the clamouring for graphics. are you that dense and ADD that you need pretty pictures everywhere to tell you what's going on?

FM's GUI is simple, easy to understand, and a very effective way of communicating complex and constantly changing data. that's why it's worked until now and that's why it will CONTINUE to work into the forseeable future.

occam's razor, my friend.
First of all I’m going to overlook your aggressive stance and resorting to callig people dense for having a constructive discussion about features.

The point I was making about Sky Sports is that their graphical looks and use is there to help build atmosphere, and to obviously entertain. Correct, it may extend the game and draw out careers, but perhaps that could be controlled with some kind of user option tweak. The point is, I was just throwing ideas around not wanitng to get drawn into specifics of HOW SI should put more graphics/images/video/animation into the game . The fact remains that by making the game more graphical it would help to built atmosphere within the game greatly improve a player gaming experience.

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It seems to me here that people are presenting a choice between a good match engine and database etc or a well presented and flashy version of FM.

What the hell is the problem with having both?
People will be getting payed a lot of money to make developments to this game and it really hasn't developed a lot for 3-4 years.

WE NEED BOTH!

That was exactly my point, why are we worried about a graphical inclusion effecting gameplay – the realism and game play is already there, this would Only improve and SI’s track record with quality speaks for it’s self so there shouldn’t be a worry that they would suddenly do away with the gameplay in order to provide a more realistic and graphical interface.

The problem is the hardcore fanbois have had FM dominate for so long they are no longer open to “outside” ideas that would have previously been flagship features of rival titles. Well, as the competition are now starting to catch-up with FM, it’s time for SI and it’s fanboi’s to get off the high-horse and start to look at the competition and start improving on the best and more relevant features they offer!

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Even if there is no graphical update the presentation could be so much better.

It's like wading through a cumbersome database at the moment rather than a football manager game.

The interface could be much more slick even without any graphics at all.

At work I have to do lots of statistics on our business/department performance. This involves lots and lots of data on excel. When I have to present this to management I obviously don't just hand them a printout of excel. I have to make it into a presentation which looks nice, it looks slick, it looks interesting. At the moment FM is just like the excel part - everything is there but it's just like a database.
Again, this is my point. No one is talking about doing away with the stats system and having little football icons for rating players, just a better more friendly way of displaying all the info FM provides and making it easier to digest and even entertaining to look at (if that's possible, which I'm sure it is!).
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:51 PM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #43
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I say: never change a winning team.
Keep the UI the way it is. It's great!
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no energy on graphics

all on game play and managering stuff..

mayby implement and challange where u start in lowest divisions and work your way up as it was in originaly fotboll manager games on amiga and c64.

graphic means nothing. the white wallpaper in 08 was such a waste.
This SI what is holding FM back - SI are scared to implement a better graphical user interface because they are affraid of the backlash from the stuff old die hards who again look upon FM's competitors with contempt rather than looking at the best features and thinking;-
"wow, if SI done that bit in FM it would awesome and it would probably even work!"
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:58 PM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #44
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I like FIFA Manager for the light-hearted, feature-filled game it is.
But I do not want FM to go the flashy graphics and fluff route... and I especially do not want each game to have an additional 3 minutes of stuff twirling around. I want the pre-match to be as simple as possible, the current several screens are already pushing it. I'd much rather have an easier way to see what the current in-game tactics the opponent is using.
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Old 06-12-2008, 11:59 PM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #45
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Oh, and I much prefer the ease of skinning the game than a fixed GUI, no matter how excellent it was... and face it, there's very little chance they'd actually make it excellent at the first try.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:06 AM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #46
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I like FIFA Manager for the light-hearted, feature-filled game it is.
But I do not want FM to go the flashy graphics and fluff route... and I especially do not want each game to have an additional 3 minutes of stuff twirling around. I want the pre-match to be as simple as possible, the current several screens are already pushing it. I'd much rather have an easier way to see what the current in-game tactics the opponent is using.
fifa manager.

i tryed all version of it and all versions of cm fm

fifa manager are always superbuggy. they implement things like special colours on chelsea and man utd players shoes but but cant make player base and team base balaanced so game is always totaly wicked and unplayeable after 2 sesons. and by then u have all the best players with kettering town to. its always buggy as hell to and full of errors that make game exists to windows or make blue screens.

the cm fm foults have been pretty massive as well since 98 versions. but they are small like youth players doesnt improve fast enough to be superstars at 20 or midfielders doesnt close down to ball on midfield in a perfect way.

the foults that fm cm have had doesnt even exist in other manager games couse they are so UNadvanced they never reach that tweak stage.

fm cm is the only game for adults in manager genre of games. kids play the graphical games like total club M and fifa M. and let it be that way.

its a manager game with numbers. not a game to show of for friends.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:17 AM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #47
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Most of you also seem to forget that having better graphics also mean the game will require more from your computer.
So then you'll either gonna need a state of the art pc to play to game or you'll need to cut in the game's database.
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:26 AM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #48
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I think people are getting too concerned and distracted with how poor FIFA manager's gameplay is, and assuming that those nice graphics and nice GUI that do that. It's fair to say EA have invested more into them than the gameplay it's self, which is why the game is so bad, but it has to be said the game is visually stunning.

What we want is SI to look towards applying that kind of standard and having more involving and inspiring graphical interfaces and imagery. Like it or not, that is where the future of the genre lies.

We arent presented with an option of sacraficing gameplay for good visuals - FM ALREADY has the gameplay! They should now look at making the data easier to digest and more appealing, dare I say it, even impressive!
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Old 06-13-2008, 12:30 AM   Does FM need a facelift? Post #49
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Most of you also seem to forget that having better graphics also mean the game will require more from your computer.
So then you'll either gonna need a state of the art pc to play to game or you'll need to cut in the game's database.
In this day and age I think most serious PC gamers have a PC capable of running half decent graphics. Besides, we aren't talking having the game turn into crysis, jsut a little more appealing and inspiring. The fact that FM will currently play on my work PC which is 8 years old says that FM is way behind in terms of hardware requirements anyway!
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other things are a bigger priority for me -

match engine (actually working pretty good at the moment but was appalling in 8.00)

regens - major problems

reputation system -(if you are a major club it can be hard to sell some of your less talented players as their rep is completely out of sync with their ability and possible bidders know that the palyer will reject them)


That being said, the game coud do with being a bit more pretty.

better use of sound would be good as well - noting has changed really on that front for years. it would be nice if you got verbal reminders for certain things, or even verbal summaries after a scout has finished his assignment.
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