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06-12-2008, 04:39 AM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #11 | | Registered User
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This thread did not say it wanted 3D read thre posts...do not make assumptions..the thread talks about upgrading, additions and so on,, do not try and be clever with misinformation.
READ the POST
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06-12-2008, 04:40 AM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #12 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by Moonshine:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by FrostyTheBush:
there are some database edits, a new skin and a couple on new features, surely this doesn't take the whole year for a dedicated team and I think they could definately be more productive with their time,
| I'm sorry to say but your wrong there. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Wrong about what? the 'revamped' scouting still has some large issues (usability and otherwise), international management is still an afterthought, I had no idea about the match engine upgrade but it's definately welcome. Does this really take a whole year for a full development team? not a chance.
The suggested tactics revamp imo really just needs some added feedback and some slight ease of use changes, training just needs to be more automated (i'm a manager not a coach thank you very much  , maybe just hire the coaches and they will create there own schedules? advanced users can alter at will).
Honestly though they have probably finished development already and are just bug hunting and the like, so suggestions will not be put in until 2010 comes out. Anyways love the game but i'm sick of feeling cheated every time I purchase it.
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06-12-2008, 05:05 AM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #13 | | Registered User
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I have to agree with the original post.
Read what he has posted, he's not saying that he wants FM to be more like Fifa or anything silly like that.
Every year I hope this will be the time we get a new game, new interface, some kind of graphical representation of... anything. But i'm always left disappointed
FM is great as it is, it's functional, you can just about find everything but it has no soul. It's like i'm playing a game of MS Excel or something. I don't know if SI are scared to change things as it's obviously working as it is, or maybe they just don't have the staff who are able to do this. That's not a criticism of the existing staff but I don't think it requires a genius to point our there is very little in the way of artwork in FM.
I don't want to go into the match engine discussion again but it's looked the same for what is it now ? 4-5 years ? Surely the round blobs could have been developed into overhead players in that time ? Could a simple stadium graphic not have been implemented ? In 4-5 years we got a rectangle for a dugout.. um cheers.
It's not about changing the underlying game or being able to go look at houses to buy for youself or some ******** like that. FM looks like it is still stuck in the 1990's
I think, and i'm guessing here, the problem is the game has become so complex now that any small change can have a huge knock on effect and screw loads of other things up. So adding even a small new feature must take so long. Look at all the new FM08 features which are still not working and were never patched, I guess they simply couldn't fix them even after a year or so of development.
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06-12-2008, 05:27 AM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #14 | | Newb
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While FIFA Manager has very lovely, flashy graphics, the utility of their screens is very poor. They're just non-functional eye candy, and an invite for bugs (of which I've noticed a few... disappearing team names, badly aligned text...)
It would be nice if FM looked a bit more slick, but not, in any circumstances, at the expense of usability and clarity. CM and FIFA may have other advantages, but FM's user interface is lightyears ahead of them.
Never trade functionality for fluff.
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06-12-2008, 06:54 AM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #15 | | Registered User
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Originally posted by T-Bag:
Every year I hope this will be the time we get a new game, new interface, some kind of graphical representation of... anything. But i'm always left disappointed  | This is exactly how I feel, in total i've put over £100 into this product (i've been playing for years) and it doesn't feel like there has been any great leaps in the game since the early 90's, it's like Football Manager 05 III instead of 08, and people keep saying that the presentation can be sorted by modders with new skins, but you know, it's not their job.
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06-12-2008, 08:22 AM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #16 | | Newb
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Originally posted by Kazza:
This thread did not say it wanted 3D read thre posts...do not make assumptions..the thread talks about upgrading, additions and so on,, do not try and be clever with misinformation.
READ the POST
| It's talking about graphics again. Yes, more than just 3D, admittedly, but reading between the lines, that sounds like one of the main points.
Graphics are pretty redundant in FM. The gameplay is what counts. I don't think better presentation will hurt it - I hated the skin when I first got it - but there are far more important things for them to concentrate on.
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06-12-2008, 08:26 AM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #17 | | Newb
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I think, and i'm guessing here, the problem is the game has become so complex now that any small change can have a huge knock on effect and screw loads of other things up. So adding even a small new feature must take so long. Look at all the new FM08 features which are still not working and were never patched, I guess they simply couldn't fix them even after a year or so of development.
| Umm. Yes. What I've been saying.
IF they can do it right, and IF they can fix the other things, then YES. Bring on flashy skins, new stats and 3D players.
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06-12-2008, 09:15 AM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #18 | | Newb
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I thought the Flexion skin for 07 was extremely good and that they should work more towards that direction.
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06-12-2008, 03:27 PM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #19 | | Newb
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Originally posted by pelicanstuff:
I thought the Flexion skin for 07 was extremely good and that they should work more towards that direction.
| The 'facelift' title made me think 'skin' too. The out-of-the-box skin in FM08 got a lot of stick and has been fiercely defended by Ter. What gets me is that with so many decent-to-excellent skins made by fans, why not put half a dozen of them on the disk as options and keep everyone happy? I'm sure any of the popular skin-makers would be honoured to be asked to make one for FM09 prior to release.
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06-12-2008, 07:13 PM
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Does FM need a facelift? Post #20 | | Newb
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The thing is 'back in the day' I remember every other year a release of CM which was a complete step away from the previous year's one. It was like the year after every step they'd refine the game a little more, then take another big step.
Today I get the feeling I'm still playing FM05 but with a different skin and 40,000 new ways to be asked stupid media questions repeatedly.
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