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Enjoyed reading this thread so may aswell add my small contribution.
People will say you shouldn't have to do this (true) and that it constitutes cheating (sort of) but I have over ridden the production of regens on my game and it has made it so much more enjoyable and a big part of the reason I'm currently playing such a long save.
I downloaded FMM and when the dates come round for producing new players I go on an edit spree. I will very occasionally do one of my players but usually I go round making sure there is an even distribution of talent coming through, for example on my game I have Italy only as a background league and the top Italian clubs no home grown youngsters at the top clubs, which in my experience soon leads to the clubs from the nations that have fully playable leagues dominating european competitions so on July 3rd I picked a few regens and 'topped them up'.
Of course this means I know who a lot of the top youngsters are, but in fairness I rarely sign them and you could find this out by scouting anyway and to me it makes the game feel more real.
Learnt some interesting things doing it also.
Firstly, it's definately not just about pa as to begin with I just cranked that up and it made little differnce to their ability (though interestingly it did make them very attractive to other clubs).
Secondly even if you make the CA really high to begin with (like a young Michael Owen type) this does not mean they will play all the time - does this mean managers take reputation into account?
When you create the regens you can have fun creating types also - I created a brazilian with so much talent but the worst attitude in the world, a youngster who was brilliant at 16 but really injury prone. Watching these players along side your game makes it really intersting.
Bit of a long post to say yes I think regens don't work as they should and then to brag that they do on my game (though yes I had to cheat to make it happen)
I downloaded FMM and when the dates come round for producing the regens I go on an edit spree. I will very occasionally 'up' one of the players from my club but usually I go round making sure there is an even distribution of talent coming through, for example on my game I have Italy playing only as a background league and at the minute the top Italian clubs have no quality home grown youngsters, which in my experience soon leads to the clubs from the nations that I have fully playable dominating the european competitions so on July 3rd I picked a few Italian regens and 'topped them up'.
I think some people seem to think the issue is the amount of wonderkids being generated when actually i think its the amount of average players thats the problem. a few people have mentioned that theyve found the odd wonderkid in their game but look how many are in the game at the start!! event johnny evans can be turned into a wonderkid after a few months in the first team. The biggest problem remains the fact that none of the regens are good enough, or ever get good enough, for first team action at their club. Theres no in game equivalent of, for example, Chris Eagles, Ronnie Wallwork, Matthew Rose, Neil Mellor, etc who whilst not good enough for the top teams they started at, they find a reasonably successful career in the championship or lower premiership.
Blue Flag that sounds like a good way to help deal with SI once again doing a poor job with newgens. Every year we're told they'll be "right". Every year we find out they're seriously flawed, usually physically, for their position.
I wish there was a mass edit program instead of just FMM, because I wouldn't hesitate to use it. Especially as I'm just getting to the point were poor newgens are starting to skew the game.
Originally posted by Metaphysical:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by nojabold:
maybe Barcelona did want to keep fabregas, the point I was making is that had he stayed there he probably wouldn't have reached his potential, and certainly not as quickly as he has at Arsenal. Fabregas himself said that he was unsure about moving to Arsenal so young, but he is glad he did now because so many of the players he played with are still struggling and he would probably only be with the third team by now, not playing champs league and international football.
I'm sorry, this is just ridiculous.
fabregas played in the same youth team as messi and pique. and a whole load of other average players. yes the vast majority of the class of '87 are floundering now, and here's why... they're not that good. they're the '130PA' guys. etc. whereas messi, pique and fabregas were the '190PA' guys in that amazing group.
as for getting more chances/reaching his potential at arsenal, that's absolutely ridiculous. barcelona is THE premier place for talent-production outside of brazil (as a whole country). no club can compete with the brilliance they consistently produce. and bring through. the name lionel messi sound familiar? victor valdes? carles puyol? oleguer? xavi? andres iniesta? bojan? or, hell, how about pepe reina? or mikel arteta? luis garcia? ringing any bells? sergio garcia? hellooo? francesc fabregas? fran merida? anyone in there??
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most of your list have had to leave barca to get first team football. it seems to be fairly random who gets to stay and get into the first team as well - victor valdes and oleguer are pretty terrible players, who really bring down the level of the side.
there is no way fabregas would have got as much playing time at barca as he has at arsenal (where he has been in the first XI since 17). he has been arsenals key central midfielder for the last two years, if he was at barca with iniesta, xavi and deco all ahead of him, he would have struggled to get a consistent run in the side.
wenger has a slightly perverse inclination to playing young players, which few other teams/mamagers will match.
Originally posted by Blue Flag:
Enjoyed reading this thread so may aswell add my small contribution.
People will say you shouldn't have to do this (true) and that it constitutes cheating (sort of) but I have over ridden the production of regens on my game and it has made it so much more enjoyable and a big part of the reason I'm currently playing such a long save.
I downloaded FMM and when the dates come round for producing new players I go on an edit spree. I will very occasionally do one of my players but usually I go round making sure there is an even distribution of talent coming through, for example on my game I have Italy only as a background league and the top Italian clubs no home grown youngsters at the top clubs, which in my experience soon leads to the clubs from the nations that have fully playable leagues dominating european competitions so on July 3rd I picked a few regens and 'topped them up'.
Of course this means I know who a lot of the top youngsters are, but in fairness I rarely sign them and you could find this out by scouting anyway and to me it makes the game feel more real.
Learnt some interesting things doing it also.
Firstly, it's definately not just about pa as to begin with I just cranked that up and it made little differnce to their ability (though interestingly it did make them very attractive to other clubs).
Secondly even if you make the CA really high to begin with (like a young Michael Owen type) this does not mean they will play all the time - does this mean managers take reputation into account?
When you create the regens you can have fun creating types also - I created a brazilian with so much talent but the worst attitude in the world, a youngster who was brilliant at 16 but really injury prone. Watching these players along side your game makes it really intersting.
Bit of a long post to say yes I think regens don't work as they should and then to brag that they do on my game (though yes I had to cheat to make it happen)
i used to do the same when i played the game on a pc (now use a mac - no editors available)
one thing i did in particular was increase the ca of many of the young players with a good PA. e.g if you boost the ca of a 17yr old with 180+ PA to 120 or above they have a much better chance of making it.
I would also edit attributes for positions - e.g strikers should not have good long throw, centre backs should not have 20 for corner taking (happens an awful lot in my current save!) If you reduce these pointless attributes to 1 it will allow the rest of the atributes to go higher as the PA wont be wasted filling up the junk aatributes.
obviously you need to give a few players some pace and jumping where necessary.
Like you I used to make these edits across the board, not just for my own players. I did stick to editing players that had initially high PA though - so as to maintain their random distribution.
Originally posted by pelicanstuff:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Duttz:
The regens in FM 06 and 07 were the best I've ever seen, exactly what it should be - Wonderkids, balanced attributes and top regen players in the national team in their teens/early 20's etc. SI certainly know how to get it right, so it can't be too hard for them to sort it out...
I had a regen that was probably the best player I've ever had on any FM or CM game in 07. was a wonderkid CB, 18 when i bought him with santa clara. When I bought him for about 30 mil as manager of chelsea at 22 he was the best CB in the world, a regular for Brazil, world footballer of the year after 1st season with Chesea, he had great pace, strength, jumping, tackling, heading, positioning, marking etc (all the right stats for best CB in the world!!) and was good at getting forward, would score 15+ goals a season... I doubt a player like that would appear in 08 if you played for 1000 seasons.
And you call that realistic? No 22 year old is going to be the best CB in the world, full stop. In FM07 the regens were far far too good. There has possibly been a slight trend the other way this game, but it's ridiculous that everyone expects a star to come through their youth team every year. It just doesn't happen. </BLOCKQUOTE>
maldini, sol cambell (and arguably rio) where all arguably world class at 22, though whether they where the very 'best' in the world is more arguable. John terry arguably hit his peak in his early twenties and has been declining due to injuries ever since.
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