retired_lbils

RE: FM07

I ran several holiday tests on FM07 and analysed the quality of regens over periods of 20 years or so, since I thought at the time that they were awful.

What I found was that for the first 5-6 years, the number of talented youngsters decreased slightly. I figure this is partly due to older players with higher reputations being picked for national teams leading to fewer opportunities for youngers.

After this 5-6 year period however, the number of talented regens increased significantly to the extent that general player quality was far higher after 15 years than at the beginning of the game. I checked my own findings with FM Scout and by their scoring system, maybe twenty times as many players on average had current or potential rating of over 80% .

The quality of championship football was, in terms of players, similar to the standard that premiership football outside the top 4 was at the start of the game. Goals-to-game ratios for the strikers especially were ludicrously high (especially in internationals).

I reckon the regen system is not doing too badly.

retired_lbils

i think if anything the young players should have better physical attributes than their older counterparts. no top club would hire a youth player with 5 pace unless every other stat was AMAAAAAZING.

and even if they lack slight pace and accelleration attributes you would've thought they would have good strength and jumping especially if there a defender.

the clubs firstly look at physicall attributes for youngsters anyway so its definately waaay off the mark in terms of realism. im not getting it again for pc untill regens are more realistic </BLOCKQUOTE>

A 15-16 year old will not have developed physical stats to their potential as they are still growing. They will take until 19-20 to hone them fully at the very least. Plus, strength develops much more slowly.

retired_mahibobby

Phsyical stats are totally weird anyway. Only increase whilst really young. Sorry, but Strength can be massively gained at any point of a footballer career. Sure, people in thier 50's 60's cant, but any footballer put on a good strength training course for 6 months could easily go from 7 str to at least 12-13.

I think Physical stat training in generally needs reworking. In that above example, he would get a big strength increase but the increased muscle mass is likely to reduce pace, balance and agility (Accel would be uneffected, probably even increased slightly.) Its also going to decrease injury proneness.

I'd would certain make it actually seem like I'm training players. One of the things that really annoys me is that unless you spend days analysising systematically the training system, you cannot effectively mould a player. And even then, your only able to do that if you happen to be a minor maths genious.

retired_babygirl_51119

I feel very disappointed with the low quality regens coming into the game. I have played three long games on FM08 and have yet to find a gem!

When you think of the constant improvement in training (any sport!), equipment and technique there should really be an abundance of talent (low/medium/CLASS)coming thru the ranks.

If you look at any other sport you will probaly find a couple of gems coming onto the scene each year. Its just a pity that soccer is losing out.

retired_kkdanno

I've had many great quality regens, sure they're from obscure nations and therefore worth nothing.

but look about

I prefer them to be cheap as chips

retired_theresa granados

I'd say the stats at the moment is warped. I believe we are going through something of a 'golden period' of young players at the moment, however yes I have not noticed even one youngster exploding onto the scene as a 16 year old or even a 20 year old world class regen right now.

That being said, we don't have much information right now on this and we are basing this on our own biased opinion. As a statistician (or a student of statistics anyway) I refuse to make any type of sweeping statement on this until we have done more testing.

retired_marcia

The regens in FM 06 and 07 were the best I've ever seen, exactly what it should be - Wonderkids, balanced attributes and top regen players in the national team in their teens/early 20's etc. SI certainly know how to get it right, so it can't be too hard for them to sort it out...

I had a regen that was probably the best player I've ever had on any FM or CM game in 07. was a wonderkid CB, 18 when i bought him with santa clara. When I bought him for about 30 mil as manager of chelsea at 22 he was the best CB in the world, a regular for Brazil, world footballer of the year after 1st season with Chesea, he had great pace, strength, jumping, tackling, heading, positioning, marking etc (all the right stats for best CB in the world!!) and was good at getting forward, would score 15+ goals a season... I doubt a player like that would appear in 08 if you played for 1000 seasons.

there some great player but overall regens in 08 are terrible and unbalanced. it ruins the game for anyone who wants to play more than 5 seasons...they should be making regens and youth development #1 priority for 09 by far. Apart from improving the player interaction, man management, team talk type stuff there is not much that needs improving... there is only one major flaw in the game and it's the regens!!

retired_aliloowho

i dont think there is that much wrong with them, ok the CA may be low but still you get good youngsters.

in my game (man utd in 2009) i have a regen pushing veloso for the DM place (16 yr old english Mid with good stats) a 16 year old Attacking Mid playing good backup when ronaldo is out and a 17 yr old DRLC from italy who is being chased by milan and chelsea.

i downloaded mini scout to check these out

Beevor - 16 - DM - CA = 118 - PA = 196

Martin - 16 - AMR - CA = 99 - PA = 182

Mazzone - 17 - DRLC - CA = 103 - PA = 189

now they certainly seem good enough to play for me and to become world stars by the time they are 18-19, ok some 15 yr olds are coming up with CA as 70 to start but with good training schedules, learning off players, and some match exposure they appear to develop well

not to mention i had a striker who i thought was good through, turned out to have a PA of 140 odd but he started with ACC and pace of 18, so doesnt seem too bad

noreaga

i think in this game you have to have money lots of it as the young players are hard to spot and sometimes your scouts can underrate them and comapre them to your best player in that postion which does not really tell you how good the young player is.

retired_cschultz

Currently, 9 years into a Celtic franchise and the European regens are mostly awful. Maybe one or two great ones every couple of years. I have Brazil as a playable league in the game and they get great regens for some reason. I scout Brazil like mad and purchase 15-17 year olds for peanuts. They join me when they turn 18 and usually have a decent enough CA that they can reach their potential given the right developing. Now, if I can just stop the EPL teams from poaching them from me, I'll be golden.