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Originally posted by TsetungPFC:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Klimowicz:
has anyone ever started a game made up entirely of regens? it really doesn't work. players with abysmal stats and 1* in the assman report are nearly always priced £10M+, players with acceptable stats are also give 1-2*, but valued much lower, less than £100K sometimes.
i tried to start one with barcelona, most of the team was terrible. i checked madrid, athletico, espanyol, valencia etc, and it was near enough the same for them. because regens rarely get ppms unless they are real life players with different names, match quality is evidently poorer with regens.
i think this shows how random & below average the regen quality is.
Great point.
Indeed, if the only problem is the low starting CA of regens why then starting a game with all imaginery players gives you Barcelona with bad players, even the 27-year olds not just the young ones? </BLOCKQUOTE>
tbh, there are probably better 15/16 year olds than mid/late 20s. i've started a juve game since the previous post, and i've resorted to signing 16 year olds with huge potential. so much so, that i've decided to manage the under 20s side.
i know the game is trying to overcompensate to provide longevity, but surely it would make more sense having a balance of good youngsters and better 20-30 year olds so that the youngsters can be tutored.
it's just backwards. i hope it's fixed for fm09, i always try to start a fake players game since cm 00-01. fm07 was worse than this version tbh, but there's always been issues with regens in general.
The fact that the national teams are really messed up is no secret. Did you read my Le Tallec-thread?
He was the best player in the world for several years, best player in France 4 years in a row (etc. etc.) but still didn't get capped for France! LOL? Yes.
But anyhow...
I'm in 2020 with Valencia and my fav. player right now (and everybody else's) is a regen!
Basically, in terms of CA, this is what you need to aim for:
15: 70
16: 90
17: 120
In these age brackets, this is where you can almost guarantee that their CA will reach 170 if they can make it into a first team. However, there seems to be only one with such ability in each season - Arsenal have one with a 17-year old CA 110, and there's a Sporting CP 15-year-old with CA 79 (PA 194).
My only issue with regens is the sheer lack of players with good Jumping - I once had a good centre-back with a Jumping attribute of 4! Or perhaps physical attributes in general, which are hard to develop without too many injuries (which in turn harm development, which is ridiculous).
Originally posted by Some guy....:
I have no problems with the regens in the game. Infact I have some very good regens in my squad now... In about 4 seasons they will be my squad.
Yes but overall, its a disaster. I have a few good regens too but where are all the rest of them?
Look at the average age of 20 random European clubs by about 2015. All will be either 28/29. Hardly any regens in their squads.
Im looking at this from the point of view of comparing FM to real life. Maybe you are not. But you can't deny the fact that no where near enough players from average to world class are generated as consistently as real life, no where near as consistently. Im not a games programmer so I dont want to even try suggest what needs to be done, but surely a structure can be put in place do improve this?
Compare the players irl who played in Euro 2004 to those playing this year. You will find alot of great young players this year who wern't in their national squads 4 years ago.
Now compare the players in FM who play in Euro 2008 to those who play in Euro 2012, exactly the same.... Not one regen for any playable national team.
totally agree.
that's why i deleted this game on my machine.
I always had that sort of regens, say a 22 year-old DC with 190PA and 150CA, 20 in heading, marking, and tackling, but his jumping was very poor, just round 6. i know it might getting better, but he'd never reach 10 actually. that's ridiculous...
I always had that sort of regens, say a 22 year-old DC with 190PA and 150CA, 20 in heading, marking, and tackling, but his jumping was very poor, just round 6. i know it might getting better, but he'd never reach 10 actually. that's ridiculous...
I am pretty disappoint in this aspect of the game as well. I can see there are pretty of regen (fred) in the game with decent PA but their physical attributes are just so broken which make them useless.
DC with jumping less than 12, ST with no pace or jumping, MC with no stamina, GK with no agility...etc etc just make the regen so weak and no functioning while compare with the default players in the database.
And i wonder if this is so hard to code as you could simply set a minimum starting physical attributes for key area for regen? eg. any DC with PA > 150 should start with at least 12 in jumping.
jumping less than 12, ST with no pace or jumping, MC with no stamina, GK with no agility...etc etc just make the regen so weak and no functioning while compare with the default players in the database.
i think if anything the young players should have better physical attributes than their older counterparts. no top club would hire a youth player with 5 pace unless every other stat was AMAAAAAZING.
and even if they lack slight pace and accelleration attributes you would've thought they would have good strength and jumping especially if there a defender.
the clubs firstly look at physicall attributes for youngsters anyway so its definately waaay off the mark in terms of realism. im not getting it again for pc untill regens are more realistic
How good do people generally feel the Newgens are compared to FM07? I played 20 odd seasons in a game on FM07 and thought Newgens were quite good but still needed improvement. Haven't played more than 3 seasons on FM08 yet and things don't sound to good. Have SI taken a step in the wrong direction?
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