retired_2b135again

I totally disagree and think your failing to see the problems been discussed, look at Mike's post above, I think he totally hits the nail on the head

deantibbetts

Dar2000,

Sorry, you're missing my point in relation to the quote you used. I was talking about your suggestion that appearing on the player search first page when listing by value was an indication as to the quality of the player. It quite obviously isn't and I provided my reasons for thinking otherwise.

So in that context the issue you raised re: player search isn't an issue of regen ability but an issue of valuation.

Now on the subject or regens quality, I disagree. I don't have proof other than I believe my game has produced a decent number of good/very good regens. They may not be worth £30m but they are of a good enough quality. We have to agree to disagree on that point because everyones game differs and there is no way of proving if I have more than you for instance.

My point was in relation to the concept of player quality having an effect of their position in the player search function, which you seem to equate position in table with quality, when that isn't the case.

retired_lizzy

I totaly agree Nomis07,

There are plenty of players on the top section of the player search who are only there because of an inflated transfer fee rather than quality.

On the subject of regens, a few people have hit the nail on the head. There are plenty of regens with high P.A but because they start with such low C.A they become worthless.

jtballer

I would like seeing Regeans develop evenly and realisticly but on the other hand I prefer that real players, meaning players from original DB, dominates the game as long as they can because it is somehow more fun to play with them.

deantibbetts

Just to further emphasise my point re: using the search option as a reliable list of players in quality order, here is a list of a few of the 07/08 transfers (remember value in FM goes by the transfer fee paid).

Robben - 24
Darren Bent - 16.5
Malouda - 13.5
Bianchi - 8.8
Reo Coker - 8.5
Curtis Davis - 8.5
Eduardo - 7.5
Ssagny - 7
Woodgate - 7
Koumas - 5.3
Martin Petrov - 4.7
Jagielka - 4
Tim Howard - 3

Can anyone seriously say that is the correct order of those players in regards to quality.

retired_2b135again

Your right, that is something I forgot, apologizes. So therefore it would be impossible to compare the player search screen after 7 years to the one at the start of the game. But im still convinced that if FM did not sort the values by the transfer fees you would still see the same list of players after 7 seasons.

But for me, Mike got it bang on when he said I've always thought the regens aren't good enough. Have a look at how good the players are in season 1, and compare it to season 20, and there's such a vast difference.

And what about the international teams having all the same players for Euro 2014 they did for Euro 2008? I dont think I could find one player under 21 who played in Euro 2014!!

Overall though there is no where near as many good players generated in FM as irl, that is a fact, you can't deny it and it should be addressed

deantibbetts

This is a definate issue and there have been various examples, most notable is Billy Sharp who lots of people have had score hatfulls of goals for them but never gets picked. I had Tommaso Vailatti at Bayern and in 6 seasons his lowest average rating was 7.56, yet he never got a cap and Italy persisted with a 35 year old Pirlo instead.

Just to add fuel to the fire, in a game I played recently I was Roma and having a torrid time, I wasn't going to continue the game but decided to experiment with regens and FMM. I had a vast amount of money in the bank and used Genie Scout to find the best under 24 regen in the game for each position and bought them, I then immediately matched their CA with their PA using FMM. Every single player in my squad had a CA and PA over 180.

In the previous two seasons I had finished 3rd with a decent but not great squad and a 179 highest PA.

Despite my 22 wonderkids with massive CA and PA's I finished 3rd again. Now of course it was probably down to my tactics and me just not being a good enough manager, but I can't help thinking the fact they are regens had something to do with it.

retired_taryn

Just took a look at the England squad in my save in 2015, Englands back four is Micah Richards, Joe Mattock, Kyle Bartley and Steve Cooper. Also a regen in midfield and plenty of people like Wellbeck who start the game in reserve teams. Rooney and Walcott up front the most familar thing about the team.

However England isn't an active league in my save, Spain where I'm playing is and the team looks familiar, Casillas, Ramos, Iniesta etc.

retired_uplift123

what size database are you running? this will have something to do with how many players are regenerated as with a small database there will be a lot less players generated

retired_taryn

Me?? Large database and 12 leagues from 7 countries.