retired_rotert

Firstly, SI have stated several times that Regens are under review. So they've admitted it's a problem and are sorting it.

As for lack of quality 6-7 seasons in, their value may be poor but there's plenty of quality out there. I have these guys:

Amouya
Foda
Tecklenburgh
Ullman

Of these, Foda is a first team rotation player, and Ullman is coming along nicely in cup matches and as a sub. Amouya has a lot of competition, and Tecklenburg doesn't seem to have the mental attributes for a leading prem star, but clearly has the technical skill.

For me, the physical stats are the biggest problem at this stage. And a lot of the mental ability develops over time, but not well enough.

I'm sure this has been taken into account and will be improved for future versions. Well, I HOPE.

And from what others have posted, it gets much, much worse 20-30 seasons in.

retired_jodybrown

c'mon, player search and you expect to find world class regen? the unmask attribute thing does not really work especially with regens in other continents and you have to search for them. i have one regen that have a pa of 196 and he is world class and before i even had genie scout, i went team by team and spent hours askin my scouts to scout them. player search and u could not find any good ones dosent mean there isnt. i do not know how to post a screenie, if you want you can private message me and i'll send you or something

retired_ariana07

I have done some searches with a few later-game saves, and the PA remains about the same, percentage-wise.

The real problem with regens is not that there's no potential stars, but that they start with a lot lower CA, and thus have trouble reaching that potential.

Dav1d

Whats value got to do with it? Fm2008 is great with the regens, top class players come through alot and the only problem is that some of them have low natural fitness (or alot of them). Searching by Value isnt the way to go. Look at regens stats and you will see how good alot of them are.

retired_2b135again

The value has everything to do with with it!! All the best players in the world are on the first page of the 'player search screen'. 7 seasons on and it's still the same list.

Think back seven versions of this game. That would be CM00/01 or CM01/02 yeah? How many players from the 'player screen' would still be there now?!? And the likes of C Ronaldo, Kaka, Messi, Fabregas, Kompany, Garay, Veloso, Benzema, Robinho, Ben Arfa, Mascherano, Tevez, Silva etc wern't even in the database, so you could say are regens since then!!

Mikmikmik/Neji- You cant honestly say that there is nearly enough good regens produced each season. Im not talking only world class players, but look at the players that come through the youth teams at Premier League clubs, pure rubbish. Irl there are plenty of good players coming through each season that go on to play in the Championship etc but in FM 99% of them never develop and most attributes remain under 10!!

Come on lads I love this game too but you can't defend an obvious problem that has existed for some time now, and considering how much work goes into this game and how incredibly complicated the coding must be, it's surely something that can be fixed.

Think how much more realistic and fun the game would be. Im fed up looking at international squads at Euro 2014 having almost the exact same squads as Euro 2008!!!

Smokey3957

has anyone ever started a game made up entirely of regens? it really doesn't work. players with abysmal stats and 1* in the assman report are nearly always priced £10M+, players with acceptable stats are also give 1-2*, but valued much lower, less than £100K sometimes.

i tried to start one with barcelona, most of the team was terrible. i checked madrid, athletico, espanyol, valencia etc, and it was near enough the same for them. because regens rarely get ppms unless they are real life players with different names, match quality is evidently poorer with regens.

i think this shows how random & below average the regen quality is.

firefighterhilf

In my opinion the problem wit regens is that, although you get a fair few regens with high PA, you get very few starting with a decent CA. So in the future you rarely get a Fabregas, Messi, Ronaldo or Rooney. You rarely get a player under 22 years old who's good enough to play constantly in the first team of a top club.

Imo there should be more high PA regens coming through but it should be harder for players to reach their PA, more factors should make a difference. At the same time you should get more regens coming through with a higher starting CA so that you get a realistic number of wonderkid regens.

deantibbetts

Whats value got to do with it? Fm2008 is great with the regens, top class players come through alot and the only problem is that some of them have low natural fitness (or alot of them). Searching by Value isnt the way to go. Look at regens stats and you will see how good alot of them are. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Apologies on that front, tbh I never noticed the value part and was talking about regens in general, which are in abundance and of a very good standard in my game.

I don't think that's true, the only players on the first page are the most expensive and not necessrily the best. Consider the inflated transfer system in the game that has been widely discussed, if Corluka is sold for £25m as has been documented, then he will appear on the first screen. However, I purchased Cassani for Bayern Munich for £3.4m and he has never progrssed further than £7m in value. He is obviously far far better than Corluka but because an outrageous fee has been paid it is Corluka who appears.

This isn't an issue of regens etc it's an issue with the valuation of bog standard players. The concept that the first page of player search shows the best players is obviously flawed, because you're searching by value rather than quality.

retired_sqeeks

I've always thought the regens aren't good enough. Have a look at how good the players are in season 1, and compare it to season 20, and there's such a vast difference.

I like to buy players from the country I'm in, and if I'm managing Valencia is season 20 and I'm looking for a top, top Spanish center mid they're hard to come by. There might be one or two, but they are often let down by physical attributes or teamwork/work rate.

However, I understand how difficult it must be creating an algorithm that deals with player regens (I'm a programmer), so I have sympathy with SI and their quest for flawless regens.

retired_2b135again

Thats my point exactly, you couldn't have put it any better :thup:

I know nothing about progamming to be honest but if the game can generate 95% of regens with extremely poor attributes, why could it not be programmed to create 95% regens with good stats?

Now I know we cant have 95% of world class regens, but there has to be a way in a game thats so well coded otherwise, to find a solution to this problem and keep a consistent flow of poor/average/good/top class/world class regens coming through?