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Old 04-23-2008, 10:40 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #41
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STAN wow. I love the images. Thats exactly what i want to see in FM. I hate Fifa Manager for many reasons but the Fifa layout and skinning is a world above football manager.

Making football manager look like you screenshots would be a good way forward.

Please mate, think about creating a skin for fm08. If you dont know how then visit FMG and ask someone that can if maybe they could use what you have to create a skin.

That looks awesome and i am sure if someone can implement those into a skin it would go down a treat...

LOVE IT!
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:43 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #42
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Brilliant.

I like this a lot.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:57 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #43
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Originally posted by StanPetrov:
Personally i feel FM to have just about every feature you could possibly want in a football management sim. However, i find there is still something lacking.

I beleive FM would greatly benefit from a design overhaul - less text, more graphics.

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i love those pictures!!
brilliant. the attributes pictures with the overview spider web graph at the bottom, the info about yellow cards and injurys looks excellent.
i like the head to head stats on the match previous screen

the pictures of trophys is easily sorted by people making the backgorunds so i dont see that as being important.
i'm also not sure about the different colours on the league tables for euro spots and relegation zone EXCEPT for when you get to the last 5 games of the season when it's important to see this sort of info.

i'm not a big fan of those 'quick buttons' to filter possitions on the tactics page either though.
and i think the player faces on the pitch in the same screen are too big and make the screen look cluttered.
but over all the changes you've made look nice
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:58 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #44
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perhaps something to be concerned about though is how all these graphics will affect the loading times of the pages.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:58 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #45
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I think SI could improve their final product just by hiring a graphic designer to smarten the programme up. It wouldnt be detrimental to the game in any way, and the series could go stale without a refresh sometime soon - there hasnt really been a major overhaul since CM4 has there?
There was a major overhaul for FM 2005 when the user interface changed completely and we properly supported team logos, player pictures, kits etc.

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You've obviously spent a lot of time on this, and they do look good, but IMO changed graphics/skins have very limited impact beyond first impressions. Still, each to their own.
I don't agree they are just for first impressions. The addition of graphics make what were previously somewhat boring screens nicer to look at and often easier to quickly identify the information you are looking for or highlight important information.


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They do have graphic designers, otherwise there would be no graphics. As for not being detrimental, if there are too many graphics, it slows the game down - moreso on <2GB machines, but still. And the only thing that will make the game go stale is if they don't fix the obvious flaws in the game. Graphics are a major second in terms of importance when it comes to FM.
I don't think adding more graphics to screens has much impact on game speed to be honest.

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Good to see someone doing something more than just saying 'I want to see this' etc
Absoutely :thup:

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I disagree with this concept on a number of levels. For one, the changes outlined would be mostly performed by a graphics expert, rather than the programming team who would work on most of what you want changed.
Yeah, changes like this would be implemented by the UI Team who would do the necessary code changes and the Art Team who would do the design work and create the graphics. Neither would be meddling in things like the transfer system or anything like that.

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I don't believe at all that what you've suggested could be considered as 'fluff'. These are basic changes that would require little time to fix that would make the game a lot more user friendly.
I wouldn't agree that a lot of these are simply basic changes that could be done quite easily. There are a lot of things to consider (for example, from first glances, the selection details section is too small to fit all the text in that is usually there, especially after taking translations into account )

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If you want all that jazzy graphics then Fifa Manager is for you but I want a realistic simulation of the modern world and that is what SI produce and I want them to concentrate on that!
I don't agree with that at all. There isn't a reason why we can't try to produce a realistic simulation of the modern football world while making it look nicer in the process. Both things can be done without being detrimental to the other.

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Which at least makes it better than the FM08 default skin that absolutely nobody likes
The FM 2008 default skin has been a big success actually :o
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:06 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #46
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Im glad you posted Ter! You sounded quite positive, any chance of seeing these in Fm in the future?
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:07 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #47
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I love it
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:11 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #48
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Im glad you posted Ter! You sounded quite positive, any chance of seeing these in Fm in the future?
I'm sure you know we don't comment on what you might be able to see in future versions of the game until we release the information and screenshots ourselves.

The graphical side of the game is certainly not being ignored though and the Art Team are always pushing for improvements to the look and feel of our titles.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:17 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #49
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I hate the default skin...

I use a skin called asesino and its very nice. I like a good looking skin with nice graphics and i got to admit fifa manager 08 in terms of graphics and new implementations are running ahead. The match engine and fake manager names are the huge negative but look at thier news reports ect..

What do we get each year? the same boring SITV's! Why cant SI take the time to develop a proper newspaper style that fifa have managed to do so well!

Also the media questions asked in that game have a great layout with the morale thing. Where in fm we get the same questions...same player reactions and same outcome...it needs revamped!

Halftime teamtalks should allow you to say more than one thing and so should fulltime...but we are very very limited to what we can or cannot say.

Hence why i will be working on a new media coverage pack once i have finished my soundpacks.
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:29 PM   FOOTBALL MANAGER 2009 - Graphics Speak Louder Than Words! . . . [Mock-ups Included] Post #50
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yeah agreed
i think the SI team could change the whole look of the game significantly to much success
i think they'd probably pick up a lot of customers who bought FIFA manager because it had better aesthetics
but yeah totally in favour of a skin shake up
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