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it is official for me. It blows. I am sure I will continue to be a glutton for punishment and keep playing b/c there are so many good things about it, but the ME is either just too hard or cheats making it impossible to play normal setups without 5 or 6 arrows going up the wazzoo.
What I mean by play is "enjoy." Sure, you can still play a 442 and lose your mind all nite. That would be easy to accomplish.
And, you know that is the general consensus out there. Take a look at the tactics threads. I mean, how else can you explain the amount of hits tactics like Kimz's get (no offense Kimz b/c it is terrific) and how empty threads like wwfan's (a truly great thread that got me addicted to this game) have become.
It is simple: the ME is just not fun unless you exploit it. It either cheats (i have no clue and this is not meant to be a debate on that) or it is just too damn difficult.
At the very least, the ME has basically stopped giving you decent indicators of things that have changed with the AI.
Verdict: The game is not fun anymore unless you exploit it.
I have about a million examples, but this one put me over the edge.
I am Yeovil. I played a 433 counter w/ 2 DMCs, they played a 442 with sarrows. I was told to play deep and I did. I knew they would press, I was right and I countered. I marked their MCs out of the game with my DMCs.
So, I have a dream start. Two long passes in the rain that get converted into goals. Then, I even manage to head in a corner.
Now, I am watching to see if the ME tells me or shows me that they change anything. It does not. They hit back.
The only change I make, being that it is the 39th minute, is that I move time wasting up 3 clicks. Otherwise, I am doing EXACTLY what I want to do. Defend and play on the counter. It is working. It makes utter and perfect sense that you would want to waste some time Away and get out of the half with a 3-1 lead. Besides, it is really not very different from what I was trying to do overall anyway.
Right.
As you can see, two more goals tie it. How? The first one is a long pass over my DCs. Interesting b/c MY DLINE IS DEEP. Thank you ME, b/c that is just so realistic. Outstanding. Amazingly, two more deep balls over my deep DCs don't get converted. I am wondering if maybe I should position them in the stands behind my goal. But more angry b/c earlier, they were certainly playing deep. So, wtf happened? Nothing. The ME flaked. Period.
They move to long farrow 442 for the 2nd half. I figure this is surely the death of me and the WWSM disc b/c it is going in the garbage if they score even once. No one even gets a chance. The best part? I STILL NEVER CHANGED WHAT I WAS DOING.
Why? BECAUSE I MADE ALL THE RIGHT PLAYS.
The ME stinks. Just terrible. You can deny it all you want. Try playing a 433 or 442 with a lower level team for a while. If you have, you know what I mean. At some point, you will invariably look up from your computer and wonder if you should throw it out the window.
This game, like any other, is supposed to be fun. When you make the right decisions and routinely come up short, it is not fun. It is lame. And, it happens so often that playing a 442 or 433 is simply not worth the time or effort.
Back to the exploits. Very, very, very disappointed.
Originally posted by JAStewart:
Play as Rangers or Celtic in the Scottish League. The game suddenly becomes fun when the only challenge is one other team.
That's if you like winning all the time anyway.
To be clear, I am not a newbie. I know the game and the tactics extremely well.
I don't like winning all time and do not expect to. I do expect to win games like this one when I go up 3-0 whether I am away or home. Pretty much almost always.
I also expect to win most games I go up 2-0, and that is truly a regular adventure. All the AI needs to do is move to long farrows and they come back.
What you are saying is completely untrue. I have had a really successful career on FM without any barmy arrows and without any exploitation of the match engine. I have played with straight-forward variations of the 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 throughout my career.
You do not need to change formation to be able to counter the opposition for a starter. I never change my opposition, however I might change my marking strategy to cope with different formations.
It is clear to me that you need to WATCH what the opposition is doing in certain games in extended highlights and really analyse where things are going wrong. It could be a plethora of different things.
Some examples:
Team gelling, new formation, unhappy players, poor half time team talk, poor squad, unfit players, are your players match fit, how long have they been playing for the club, having you made a lot of new signings, is your squad an older or younger squad, what is there perosnality type etc. etc. etc.
On the tactical side, to me it sounds as though you are not getting it right.
I would suggest to you an easy technique to deal with the tactical side of things, as follows. Read the scout reports - they give you huge indications as to how the opposition will play. Then, for further clues, look at the opposition manager - this will tell you all you need to know about his usual style of play.
Personally, I think if you are playing at home you don't want to play defensively and counter. It doesn't make sense. You ought to be attacking them or at least playing a balanced tactic if you want to keep things tighter against a superior side. Playing too deep and sitting back at home plays right into the hands of the opposition. They will probably be playing a defensive, possession-based tactic, with a slow build up. They will just keep the ball and create one or two (or three in this case) clear chances. Yes, you were told to play deeper, but not so deep that you unlink it from your overall mentality.
This is my opinion. If I was playing against Yeovil, I would have attacked from the off, played a d-line slightly lower than my mentality. When I was 3-0 up, I wouldn't have changed anything. I would have waiting to see a change in their play - if there is nothing wrong, then I don't touch anything. In the second-half, I would have considered moving to a more balanced tactic, perhaps lowering the d-line just below normal and moving the time-wasting up a few notches. The 4-4-2 long arrows would mean that it is time to go deeper, more compact and more defensive. Save ultra-defensive, deep and time wasting for the 4-2-4.
Hope this helps.
I have won 3 lower league titles with St. Albans City and Derry City, 1 promotion with Kaiserslauten and 1 African Nations Cup with Ghana. All in all, this has been one of my most enjoyable saves on FM games.
You say you are making the right decisions but I would say that you are not.
Originally posted by crouchaldinho:
What you are saying is completely untrue. I have had a really successful career on FM without any barmy arrows and without any exploitation of the match engine. I have played with straight-forward variations of the 4-4-2 and 4-5-1 throughout my career.
You do not need to change formation to be able to counter the opposition for a starter. I never change my opposition, however I might change my marking strategy to cope with different formations.
It is clear to me that you need to WATCH what the opposition is doing in certain games in extended highlights and really analyse where things are going wrong. It could be a plethora of different things.
Some examples:
Team gelling, new formation, unhappy players, poor half time team talk, poor squad, unfit players, are your players match fit, how long have they been playing for the club, having you made a lot of new signings, is your squad an older or younger squad, what is there perosnality type etc. etc. etc.
On the tactical side, to me it sounds as though you are not getting it right.
I would suggest to you an easy technique to deal with the tactical side of things, as follows. Read the scout reports - they give you huge indications as to how the opposition will play. Then, for further clues, look at the opposition manager - this will tell you all you need to know about his usual style of play.
Personally, I think if you are playing at home you don't want to play defensively and counter. It doesn't make sense. You ought to be attacking them or at least playing a balanced tactic if you want to keep things tighter against a superior side. Playing too deep and sitting back at home plays right into the hands of the opposition. They will probably be playing a defensive, possession-based tactic, with a slow build up. They will just keep the ball and create one or two (or three in this case) clear chances. Yes, you were told to play deeper, but not so deep that you unlink it from your overall mentality.
This is my opinion. If I was playing against Yeovil, I would have attacked from the off, played a d-line slightly lower than my mentality. When I was 3-0 up, I wouldn't have changed anything. I would have waiting to see a change in their play - if there is nothing wrong, then I don't touch anything. In the second-half, I would have considered moving to a more balanced tactic, perhaps lowering the d-line just below normal and moving the time-wasting up a few notches. The 4-4-2 long arrows would mean that it is time to go deeper, more compact and more defensive. Save ultra-defensive, deep and time wasting for the 4-2-4.
Hope this helps.
I have won 3 lower league titles with St. Albans City and Derry City, 1 promotion with Kaiserslauten and 1 African Nations Cup with Ghana. All in all, this has been one of my most enjoyable saves on FM games.
You say you are making the right decisions but I would say that you are not.
C.
I'm sorry, I have just noticed that you said you were playing as Yeovil! That's the trouble with having a beer in the afternoon!
I still maintain what I said. You played too deep and too defensively. I would probably have started off with a balanced formation, with d-line a few notches deeper than normal. I would have stuck with this until they went 4-4-2 and then I would have gone slightly more defensive, narrow and added the time-wasting.
This game blows... 
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