retired_macca1875

I have a feeling that the game stores the values in pounds, then converts them for display purposes, so changing currency didn't make any difference.

retired_plasal

But that doesn't make any sense.

If the variable for balance can hold a number up to 2.1 billion then it doesn't matter which currency it's in, once the amount of data held goes over that amount, then it goes mad and flips +/-.

If it's possible to convert 2.1 billion GBP into dollars or almost any other currency (Yen lol) and store that number for display, then why don't they use the extra-large variable they store the newly converted amount in to hold the GBP value, thus fixing this irritating bug.
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retired_mary43

It's to do with how the numbers are represented in a computer. To cut a long story short, the most-significant bit determines the sign. Using two's-complement (Google/Wikipedia it), it allows for easy arithmetic manipulation for subtraction. Basically, in two's complement, 1001 is -7 rather than 8 and 0111 7. Similar to binary.

I'm guessing that SI wrote Football Manager in C++ and used the standard integer type (or long int, or whatever, they have the same range). The positive upper limit is 2,147,483,647 (does this look similar to the 2.1 billion pounds figure? ), which is 2^31-1, and the lowest limit is –2,147,483,648, or -2^31.

Just taking a smaller power, let's just say Football Manager had an upper limit of $7. 7 in binary is 0111. Say I got a bit richer, $8, so I add 1 to 0111 and get 1000. As it turns out, 1000 is actually -8 in two's complement, making this a typical overflow problem in programming.

So if I'm right, if you somehow manage to make enough money to be invested (in this thread's case), and that amount exceeds 2.1 billion pounds, then, er, I think you will probably not get your money back. Assuming they used an integer for the investment as well, of course.

There are longer data types out there with a much longer range, such as __int64 which has a range of –9,223,372,036,854,775,808 to 9,223,372,036,854,775,807, but when you're running a large program, it becomes painfully slow to compute.

retired_shenita

Well, I am sure that in the future, when computing power gets even more powerful, SI will ALLOW even bigger sums of money, for example trillions of pounds!!!!!! It is only a matter of time.......

retired_channer06

Is it possible to somehow do the reverse and land yourself in debts of 2.14 billion, thus making your bank balance credited by 2.14billion?

Thinking of a way but I doubt its possible.

retired_candycorncats

I have a feeling that the game stores the values in pounds, then converts them for display purposes, so changing currency didn't make any difference. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I saw a guy whining about this issue in the Danish FM-forum when he reached DKK22B so this occurs whenever you get what corresponds to £2.15B.

retired_candycorncats

I think it's impossible to amount such debt without going into administration and selling all your good players, raising cash that way.

retired_shenita

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What bug? If you hit 2bn in FM07, your balance will revert to -2bn.

In FM08, the game doesn't let you get that far. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, actually it does. I did a little experiment. I added 2 Billion pounds of cash PLUS sell a player for 1.5 Billion pounds to another club. Of course, I also increased the transfer funds for the other club to do this, plus raised the reputation of the player to the max And also make him dislike me. He moved and when the transfer is over, I am in the red!! But there is a message saying that the club will dip into the investment fund and extract money from there to save the club from being in debt.

retired_lbils

Not about computing power, just about the way that the programming language works.

retired_Cliffc

Not quite wat you're asking, but in my (FM05) game, AC Milan (I've never managed them) hit the £2.1B mark, and now every couple of months the pop into and out of bankrupcy due to the interest payments sending them over or back under the limit.

I think it's impossible to amount such debt without going into administration and selling all your good players, raising cash that way. </BLOCKQUOTE>