retired_dorrette

some of these replies are really condescending and a bit elitist sounding, "haw haw haw the commoner doesn't understand the sophisticated nuances of the tactical engine"
it has to be said the newest incarnation seems to be a little too tough and reliant on tiny tactical adjustements that are born more from trial and error than genuine understanding of tactics within football

Godfearer

Man, if today's sims are targeting customers with "some knowledge" they better put a sticker on the box saying that "if you are not a pro don't bother" .
Realism is okay if that's what you want to feel but realistically you do have to beat the engine and given the way it works i finally understood why the option to place our players in the pitch according to where the ball is was removed ; give me this and i will make you an unbeatable tactic that works any day.

Fm08 is not bad as a game i just don't like the philosophy it is built upon , everything in the game is made to make your life hard ; where is the fun with that?
I mean you go home at night , light a cigar , put some vodka on ice and load the game, then hell breaks out , chairman sells your best players to teams that use blank accounts (from non active leagues) , AI uses some super "gray" players against you , you can not sell any of the players you don't need in their selling price and you can not buy any of the players you want on their selling price , above that all personas in the game act like 9 year old girls and in the top of all this the 4-4-2 half the the clubs on this planet are using simple doesn't work .
You think "okay give me 2 hours and i will learn to play" but then 10 games after you are sucked by the club...
When this happens i start thinking that i should have stayed in the office .

deantibbetts

We are all in the same boat though. I've been playing FM/CM since 97, and I spend months trying all sorts out until I get it right. I got FM08 on release day and didn't even try starting a career game until the turn of the year lol. I had spent the previous few months starting game after game, managing team after team and trying every tactical possibility I could think of.

I don't think people are being condescending, but I do feel that if someone wants to buy a game and be good at it without spending time mastering it then they should know that FM is a terrible choice.

IMO it's obvious that people prefer CM/FM that little bit harder and know what to expect from it. That's the reason most people love CM01/02 (the hardest IMO of the CM series), but hate CM4 (without doubt the easiest CM/FM ever).

retired_shelly

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Themistofelis:
and in the top of all this the 4-4-2 half the the clubs on this planet are using simple doesn't work QUOTE]

i think SI are right to make 442 not really work at top flight cause looking at the 'top teams' in the top european leauges nowadays almost all of them play some variation of a 451 or 433 or 4231.

Generally i agree with the current tactics system is a bit complex for a casual user but id say that generally i agree with people previously that said try something new you cant always play your 'set formation'

deantibbetts

I don't really get this casual user thing. If you are a casual gamer and don't want anything too in depth you wouldn't buy Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy, you'd buy Fifa or Pro evo. So why would a casual gamer buy FM?

retired_dorrette

We are all in the same boat though. I've been playing FM/CM since 97, and I spend months trying all sorts out until I get it right. I got FM08 on release day and didn't even try starting a career game until the turn of the year lol. I had spent the previous few months starting game after game, managing team after team and trying every tactical possibility I could think of.

I don't think people are being condescending, but I do feel that if someone wants to buy a game and be good at it without spending time mastering it then they should know that FM is a terrible choice.

IMO it's obvious that people prefer CM/FM that little bit harder and know what to expect from it. That's the reason most people love CM01/02 (the hardest IMO of the CM series), but hate CM4 (without doubt the easiest CM/FM ever). </BLOCKQUOTE>


yea i agree with you it's just the replies like "bye bye then" it's just incredibly unconstructive because someone is having problems with the game which i was having and i'ce played all the incarnations and i found the newest one the toughest
i think more constructive replies with suggestions and reassurance would have been better is all

deantibbetts

Agreed.

Godfearer

Because there was no sticker on the box saying that this software is only for the pros.
If SI's intentions are all their future releases to target strictly their hard core fan base they better clear this out in a news letter instead of informing us about their new releases.

retired_cupcake88

Because there was no sticker on the box saying that this software is only for the pros.
If SI's intentions are all their future releases to target strictly their hard core fan base they better clear this out in a news letter instead of informing us about their new releases. </BLOCKQUOTE>

And lose a whole lot of sales?? i cant see this happening.

Besides, SI lsot touch with their consumers looooong ago. Its all about the money these days.

retired_lyne rioux1

This game takes a little patience to get going, but once you get the hang of it, its incredibly addictive and fun.

A little less conversation, a little more action please...