retired_bradp

I don't use FMM and similar, so sadly can't help you with that although if something interesting comes up later I might make a special save at that point and check it out later.

The times when I was in Africa I was coaching in division 3 in Germany with a regional rep. Do you think that is enough to become the manager of Cameroon and Tunisia? Seemed very strange to me.

I've done some save/load experiments where I every now and then when there is a suitable job opening save, then apply for it and see if I get it. Then I reload and try it again taking slightly different approaches (resigning, media comments etc).

So far these have been the results:

If team rep > my rep I never got it.

If team Rep = team rep I never got it.

If team rep < my rep I got the job about half the time if it was abroad. Slightly more often if it is in the same country which seem to support your theories.

One more thing I noticed was that it if I resigned before applying and/or did the media comments I seemed to be slightly more likely to get the job, i.e. choosing the "I want a new challange option" seem to alert the club to your status. It only worked when my rep was higher than the club though as in the first try they turned me down, but in the second attempt it worked.

I know its not much help to you without the exact rep values, but if anyone else is interested its areas worth looking at.

retired_joannalaw

National teams seem to follow their own set of rules when hiring managers. I have gotten jobs which FMM told me I shouldn't get if the only thing involved was manager and team reputation. It seems that international teams from other Continents are more lenient than European ones, which make them an excellent way of increasing your own reputation (if low).

retired_isooze

Just wanted to say that this is a very interesting thread Morridin . I will certainly be reading your updates with interest. I've been dying to know how manager rep works for ages!

Keep up the good work! :thup:

C.

garzonpaola99

An interesting line of inquiry. I think hypothesis six might have been dismissed too soon. You created managers who were unemployed, and they didn't see their reputation drop at all after five years. However, that just means that previously unemployed managers do not lose reputation. A much more interesting way of trying to disprove hypothesis six would be to create those same managers again, have all three of them manage teams in the same league for a full season, have them quit, and then go on vacation for five years, allowing us to see if reputation that has been "built" upon those base reputation levels will decline if a manager isn't managing. It's one thing for a never-employed manager not to lose reputation, but it's another thing altogether for a once-employed manager not to lose reputation.

Some anecdotal evidence to consider: in my current FM07 game, my reputation has gotten "stuck" at a certain level:

Current Rep: 10000
Home Rep: 10000
World Rep: 8999

My reputation has been this way for the better part of three or four seasons, and despite back-to-back Premiership titles, winning the Champions League, and having won numerous domestic cups, it hasn't budged. It's the same for Arsene Wenger in this save, as well. He's "stuck" at the highest possible Continental reputation possible, and the game doesn't seem to want to give either of us Worldwide reputations, regardless of our exploits. While this may no longer hold true for FM08, it might be worthwhile looking into: can managerial reputations get "stuck" for some reason? Insufficient team rep? Too few wins that defy the odds?

Some food for thought.

retired_joannalaw

Ok, let's say your line of reasoning is valid. To prove it you should make a new save of your current game, resign your job and send your manager on a holiday for a couple of years. If you find that your reputation has decreased during that time I'll retract my words.

retired_joannalaw

Straight of the bat I would say that there might be a programing error in FM07 that prevents your world rep from increasing while your Home and/or Current rep is maxed. Either that, or you could try taking up the job of a national team. Interesting that your reputation label wouldn't change to worldwide, perhaps that's what World Rep is for... You have Inspired me, I will do some testing with FMM.

retired_ang13

I got worldwide rep after winning the world cup if it helps at all.

retired_joannalaw

I have done some testing on the reputation variables and these are the data i got:

Data set 1 (uncovering English reputation label thresholds):

10000,10000, 5000 = World Class
8000, 8000, 4000 = Continental
6000, 6000, 3000 = National
4000, 4000, 2000 = Regional
3000, 3000, 1500 = Regional
2750, 2750, 1375 = Unproven
2500, 2500, 1250 = Unproven
2000, 2000, 1000 = Unproven

From these data we get an idea of what the threshold values of each individual reputation label are. Interrestingly it appears that you cannot have Local or Obscure reputation when managing in england. At least not when only managing the Premiere division.

Data set 2 (Uncovering the reputation label variable):

10000,10000, 0 = World Class
10000, 0,10000 = Unproven
0,10000,10000 = World Class
0,10000, 0 = World class
0, 3000, 0 = Regional
10000, 2750,10000 = Unproven

From these data we can conclude that the only variable that affect your ingame reputation label is Current Reputation.

Data set 3 (applying for the Nigerian national job):

10000,10000,10000 = Got the job right away
10000,10000, 0 = No answer after a month
10000, 0,10000 = No answer after a month
0,10000,10000 = Got the job right away

It appears from these data that the your chances of getting a national job is a function of your Current reputation and your world reputation combined. Neither of these maxed out, by it self, was enough to instantly bag the job. Home reputation seems to have no effect.

retired_candycorncats

I'm still here, just haven't loaded FM in a while. I suspect that CR is a short term variable, which can be influenced in other ways than just matches. I don't think it's quite as easy as you say "AB-forever", because while I haven't done significant testing on CR I know it doesn't change when you take up leadership of a foreign club. It didn't for my Norwegian manager when he got a Malaysian job at least. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh.

Sh*t

Just ignore me then

KUTGW :thup:

retired_joannalaw

By all means AB-forever, as I am probably wrong in several of my assumptions above I value criticism and feedback, so please keep your posts coming.