retired_joannalaw

I need some help in pinning the equation for manager reputation changes.
The equation is proving more elusive than I first thought, so I will need lots of data to nail it down.

What I want you to do is to replay the same match several times to get different results, check the relevant variables with FMM and post your findings here. We need one big win for both teams (by 3 to 5 goals), one small win (1-2 goals) and one draw. If you are having trouble getting these results you can take control of your opposition with a new manager. In fact, if you do this you will be able to produce double the amount of data, as both managers reputation will change. We will also need each clubs current reputation and the match odds.

Please post the data something like this:

Modum (Player, Rep 2185, home) VS Brann (Computer, Rep 5554, away), Friendly game

Player manager1 (Modum) reputation: Home: 2629, Current: 2607, World: 1266
Player manager2 (Brann) reputation: Home: 5260, Current: 5160, World: 2490

Match odds: Modum: 9-1, Draw: 4-1, Brann: 1-4 (Fav)

Modum 5 - 1 Brann, Manager 1: +7 (Home rep), +7 (Current rep), no change (world rep).
Manager 2: -4, -4, -1.
Modum 1 - 0 Brann, Manager 1: +4, +4, no change.
Manager 2: -2, -2, 0.
Modum 2 - 2 Brann, Manager 1 :+2, +2, no change.
Manager 2: No change.
Modum 0 - 2 Brann, Manager 1: No change.
Manager 2: +1, +1, no change.
Modum 0 - 4 Brann, Manager 1: -1, -1, -1.
Manager 2: +3, +3, no change.

Thanks in advance.

retired_OrangeOne

This is a great read. KUTGW. :thup:

retired_sallymay

So just to clarify, If Im with a club, buying players sorting my tactics etc, If i get my assistant to play the games... my rep never inreases?

or are there additional ways to increase this?

retired_joannalaw

Not unless you get bonuses for league position or something similar. I haven't been able to verify this so far, as I have just finished my own season.

retired_sallymay

Hmm thats strange - sometimes i like to get my assistant to handle matches.
Im sure my rep has increased - interetsting to know when you find out

retired_morren

i know bumping is frowned upon but just to let the op know there is someone still interested in this little experiment.

retired_candycorncats

If Morridin returns to continue this, I'll clarify:

Current Reputation is reputation in the country you're currently managing in.

That means that if you're managing in your home country then Home rep. = Current rep.

retired_joannalaw

I'm still here, just haven't loaded FM in a while. I suspect that CR is a short term variable, which can be influenced in other ways than just matches. I don't think it's quite as easy as you say "AB-forever", because while I haven't done significant testing on CR I know it doesn't change when you take up leadership of a foreign club. It didn't for my Norwegian manager when he got a Malaysian job at least.

retired_bradp

First of all, great thread. Always been interested in this aspect of the game. Well worth exploring.

Only got circumstantial evidence for this but an additional thing to consider with regards to getting the manager positions is the competition and time-frame of the opening. I think there is some element of amount of managers applying for a position that can impact it as well.

Twice while playing 08 I've been playing in the bottom leagues but still got a job for a relatively good African national teams and while I had unproven/regional rep on another continent. I think partly the reason for this is because there were no other applicants for the job which effects the comparison between your rep and the team's rep.

Also, I've once the game seen a team go for very long time without a manager (6+ months) and when I applied for them I got it, despite the team being way out of my league. I was coaching in Russian division 2 and got a job for Heracles in the top dutch division. My reputation was regional at that point as well.

I reloaded to an earlier save when the job had only been on the market for about 1-2 weeks and that time I didn't get it.

Sorry for not being able to get more detail, this was in a game a while ago.

Keep up the good work.

retired_joannalaw

Quite likely. As I've written above it's not as simple as "manager reputation > Club reputation = job". I have gotten jobs with MR<CR and I have applied with MR>CR only to lose the job to a manager with higher reputation than me. Makes sense that the board would become desperate after six months, or maybe the club just lost lots of reputation during that time. Too bad you don't have the savegames anymore, or you could have checked club reputation at both times.

Remember that African teams in general are way lower rated than European ones. Also note that the ingame reputation label changes from country to country, based on country reputation.