retired_bradp

Regarding 1, I'll do so. It makes very much logical sense as contracts are involved in most things you do when hiring people so why not for managers?

2 isn't a theory per se, I was just trying to say that there is something else behind it that we haven't thought about. The question is what happens to your current rep when you leave a country and go unemployed? Does it revert to being current for your home country or does something else happen?

Good point regarding if your rep is higher than the club, makes sense as the linking often talks about employed managers which indicates that they would be willing to move up. This can also be connected to the relative Rep of the league itself, i.e. you will be linked with clubs in leagues that have lower rep than the league you are currently managing in. I haven't checked this but regarding the teams I've been connected to it seems to be fairly true.

The clubs I've been linked with have varied quite a lot, from those with 1000 rep above me, all the way to clubs smaller than my current club. Obviously when you are unemployed all clubs will be higher than you so all clubs will be linked with you.

But these clubs were there before when I was in russia as well and I was at the same level then too but wasn't linked with anything. Must be something that governs the "knowledge" of clubs which tells it if its reasonable for you to be linked with it alternatively its simple done on rep basis only. Interestingly, I've been started to being linked with Russian Div 2 clubs with quite high rep (higher than mine) which gives plausability to the idea of the league itself being a important factor. Now that I'm in a league with higher rep than the Russian 2nd, I may start to be linked with it.

Well, it can be both really as one does not exclude the other. They might simply be more interested in making money by either saving or earning no matter what which links in to making financial decisions (hesitant to take on debt) and being less forgiving if you don't do well financially.

The financial situation was generally good, even very, very good in the club I took over eventually. Not sure about the level of them at higher levels, I'm at serie C1 atm so can't really say. Will try to check though.

retired_isooze

I've got something to contribute - I hope it hasn't been said before on this thread.

I have just had a very successful season with my new club Kaiserslauten. I also got offered the Ghana job and managed to win the African Cup of Nations (which I might add is my first ever cup win on Football Manager).

My reputation is now continental and I was thinking of moving on to a new club because Kaiserslauten need some serious investment and the chairman just won't put his money where his mouth is. I decided to give him an ultimatum as a test and I was sacked. I went check my reputation afterwards and I have some news about that.

So, I think one of you guys have already said that you do not lose any of your reputation for resigning from a position. I have just found out that you do lose reputation for giving your board an ultimatum and then being sacked.

My current reputation was quite drastically reduced (with the two other reputation fields staying the same). Being sacked from my club due to making an ultimatum was enough to send me down from a continental reputation to a low national one. I think I lost somewhere between 600-800 points. I am sorry that I did not record the amount - I have since moved on to a new job so cannot repeat the exact test again.

So, to conclude, avoid being sacked wherever possible when building up a career (obvious statement really! ) and don't give the board an ultimatum, no matter how satisfying it may feel to throw all of the toys out of the pram when they won't support you. Just resign instead to keep your reputation intact.

I think the ultimatum business needs changing for future FMs personally. It's fair enough that you should lose rep for getting sacked but you should not lose rep for ultimatums. You are effectively resigning your position when you issue an ultimatum. You are saying, 'I won't work for you unless you give me some money to spend on players' or whatever. I believe that any reputation reduction due to sacking should be only applied in the case of sacking due to poor performances and not meeting expectations. Anyone agree?

C.

retired_isooze

One more thing - do not under estimate the usefulness of the media comments regarding potential moves to a new club. For instance, when it says 'you have been linked to this job' and the options are 'I am extremely interested' or 'I am not interested at all' (or words to that effect).

When applying for jobs, I experimented with this and I found one particular job that I was accepted for once but then rejected for on subsequent reloads (while experimenting). I suddenly realised that I had not replied to the associated media comment for this job and the next reload I tried responding and got the job immediately. My competition was the same manager each time who had around the same kind of reputation as me. So I can only presume that my media feedback gave the board an extra interest in my application.

C.

retired_bradp

Brilliant... or well not brilliant that you got sacked, but you just saved me some work . This came up in another thread, namely that your rep takes a hit if you are sacked. Was going to check it but you beat me to it. Sounds perfectly reasonably though.

I wondered about this as well, and I think it might work on "declare interests" in jobs which you can do if the current manager is under pressure. If you have high enough rep it may give you an edge in applying for the job. I tried it once for a job I was linked with as top contender and I got the offer but that didn't tell me much so was waiting for a time when I wasn't so I could check.

Good work, needs to be looked into further but very interesting indeed. This makes it more interesting to find out why you are linked with some jobs and not others, if its only rep or something else as well.

/Z

retired_joannalaw

Brilliant... or well not brilliant that you got sacked, but you just saved me some work . This came up in another thread, namely that your rep takes a hit if you are sacked. Was going to check it but you beat me to it. Sounds perfectly reasonably though./Z </BLOCKQUOTE>

Hm, I tested this and did in fact take a hit to current rep worth 777 points (7765 to begin with. Might mean that you take 10% hit to current rep by giving an ultimatum.). Have anyone actually got anything by giving an Ultimatum?

retired_joannalaw

My initial testing would suggest that your current rep is linked with the nation of your last club until you get a job in another country. As I remember, and have indeed written in the first thread, my reputation label did not change after I resigned my job at Indonesian team Melaka. It stayed National even though my reputation scores would only be worth a Regional label in Norway.

Oh, and I have just been signed by smart chairman Roman Abramovich of Chelsea in my game. So after 4 lower league wins, 2 in Norway and 2 in England, and 2 Paint trophies I am finally eligible for the Premiere Division.

retired_isooze

What is your reputation Morridin ?

So far my career has gone: St. Albans City (5yrs) --&gt; Derry City (1.5 years) --&gt; Kaiserslauten (1 yr) --&gt; Ghana (employed for a few months and still there) --&gt; Leverkusen (just been offered this job).

I'm after one of the huge jobs at some point in my career, either in Italy or maybe at Liverpool or Arsenal in the Prem.

At the moment, I am continental (around 7000ish, 7000ish, 5000ish - sorry can't remember the exact numbers). This is after winning three lower league titles in England and Ireland and one African Cup of Nations with Ghana.

The Germany national job came up in my game and I decided to apply and was beaten by a far better manager with 10000ish for every reputation field. I think I am still a little way off getting the really big jobs. Prior to my move to Leverkusen, I declared interest in AC Milan and got laughed at.

That's why I was curious about your getting the Chelsea job as you seem to have roughly achieved the same as I have in my game.

I wonder, is this a matter of nationality. I have mainly been hunting for jobs in Italy and Germany, rather than in England? I am saving England for later in my career so that I can have a kind of glorious homecoming!

Would be interested to hear more about your game Morridin .

Cheers,
C.