retired_joannalaw

I think the most pressing thing to verify is whether my finding, that your chances of getting a foreign international job is a function of current and world rep, holds true for other clubs. Verifying that domestic managers uses home rep instead of world rep is especially important.

retired_bradp

I with the working hypothesis and with regards to the second: The first manager was just created, had no previous history at all while the 2nd had had one previous club for less than a year (which makes sense looking at his rep).

Yes, trying to figure out what rep is used for what is the key here.

Based on the initial experience, it seems like your nationality/ies allows you to use your home rep in that country. Makes sense.

Verification 1:

Foreign International jobs as a function of Current and World AND you are better than other candidates BUT only if your World is high enough (preliminary results seem to indicate 40-50% of nation rep) atleast.

Here is some basic ideas, I'm not 100% on all of these so they are just suggestions we can check out.

Hypothesis 1:

When comparing managers of any combination of nationality and country of the job, World Rep will be involved in the selection. Logically, a world famous manager with no experience from a certain country can get jobs in that country.

Hypothesis 2:

When comparing domestic managers against each other, it will be a function of Home as well as World. Assuming the managers been in the same country their whole career, Home and Current should roughly be equal. If not, Current will be larger (which represents their rep in the country where they gained it) and if this is the case, they may be considered an external candidate.

Hypothesis 3:

When comparing a domestic manager to an external manager, the former will use Home and/or Current and World while the latter will only use Current and World.

Logically, the external candidate can't use Home for anything.

Hypothesis 4:

When comparing external managers Current and World will be used (this can be checked if someone is turned down for a job which goes to another external candidate without previous experience of that country).

Question:

Does Current rep change if you move countries? It shouldn't, but at what point does your Current Rep for Country A become the Current Rep for Country B?

I'm well aware that these hypothesis needs to be changed/altered but just posing questions so we can hone them down a bit later.

/ZJ

retired_joannalaw

I don't believe you can think of current rep as your reputation in the country you are currently playing in the first place. It does not change when you move to a new country, though your ingame label might. I think of current rep as your main reputation attribute, while Home and World rep are used to create the domestic bias.

retired_bradp

Ah, yeah, that makes more sense, more like a "overall" reputation then. Sorry, my confusion then

retired_bradp

Ok, been applying for different jobs and decided to test if there was any difference in you were employed or not. So tested a few times being each and applied to the same club. Every time I lost out to the same candidate who had 2335, 2335, 846 compared to my 2865, 3626, 2414. The job was in another country which I have no relation to, the candidate that was hired was of that nationality. Neither the club or the manager in question had either as a prefered connection.

So decided to try out various things, changing my rep with FMM.

First will be my rep and the other will be what I compared to their manager. YES/NO indicate if I got the job or not.

World > World + Home = NO

World > (World + Home) x 2 = NO

World > (World + Home) x 3 = NO

Current > Home + Current = NO

Current > Home + Current + World = NO

Currend AND World (both individually) > Home + Current + World = NO

Home > Home + Current + World = NO

Finally, I set my rep to 6000, 6000, 6000 firstly and then 9000, 9000, 9000. Both times I didn't get the job, losing out to the same candidate.

I'm a bit stumped about this. Seems like there is something more than Rep involved. Can't be CA/PA as mine is better than theirs. Checked the stats for the Director of the club as well, he has high values for Directness and Discipline but nothing else that can seem to explain the results. Seem to be some random variable or something we haven't thought about.

/ZJ

retired_joannalaw

Hm, you changed your values before you applied right? What club was it btw?

retired_bradp

No, I changed my values after they turned me down :p.

I changed them, I even altered one of my manager stats to be sure I could confirm it was in the game in case my manager rep would still be national.

It was a division 2C club in Italy, Legnano. Rep 2740.

Oh, also found out that Legendary Manager isn't a reputation label, its a Manager description which you get if your Current and World Rep is above a certain value. Saw it in Russia when they went above 8000 but might be different for other countries.

retired_joannalaw

There was a possibility that you might have applied, got rejected without getting the message and then changed the value. Obviously slim, but you never know. If this is not the case then I am truly puzzled. Your data makes no sense... Maybe if there was a function which made you too qualified to get offered the job this might happen, but I've never had reason to suspect that you might be overqualified for a job. The team hadn't just been relegated to a lower division not in play by any chance?

retired_bradp

Nah, they were actually on route for winning their league weirdly enough.

Being overqualified is an option, but surely I can't have been overqualified every time... I have no idea.

Can it have to do with the quality of the leagues? I.e. that its harder to go from a league with lower rep to one with higher? Although I'd say the Russian Premier should be good enough for the Italian Serie C2.

Maybe they look at win/lose ration? I didn't check that.

Do some similar tests yourself and see if you can confirm them.

retired_joannalaw

Will do, as soon as I got time.