retired_bradp

turn it upto 11 , here you go:

In the Russian league, the step from regional to national seem to be around 2500 somewhere, but I'd figure its way higher in other. I've seen coaches with rep around 5000 still with regional in other leagues.

Wheel of Time is a series of fantasy books by Robert Jordan, Morridin is a "character" in one of them (although I thought it was spelled differently... probably just me, last time I read them was probably 4-5 years ago) so hence the original query. The books/series are (in)famous for being very long and having tons of characters/plots going on at the same time with side-characters returning over and over again making it really hard to remember it all.

They are well worth the read though, original, well-written, good character development and keeps a good pace all the way through.

I heard there was supposed to be 13 books, and he was writing 12 when he fell ill. He apparantly already written the ending as well so hopefully it shouldn't be too much. Can't say for sure, after I stopped reading them I just check in every now and then to see if a new one is out but don't concern myself with them. Not sure if he counted the prequel as one of the 13 or he has 12 and 13 left to write... or has 12 already come out and we are waiting for 13? I haven't read it, I figured I'd get it when I get the rest of the books.

retired_morren

ok thanks, i dont want ot use FMM to check my rep. but i was hoping it would go up again soon, its regional at the moment. let my contract run out at redditch after 3 years of overachieving, only to find the only club that would accept me was morecombe, in the same league but a far better team and predicted first.


and i may check those books out, love stuff like that, sounds like lost but better and in book form(always better). i was hoping it would be a football book thats all, never seen any oher that biographys etc.

retired_joannalaw

Thanks, and yes you nailed it. Should be Moridin with a single r, as ZJ pointed out, but it's difficult to get the nick you want sometimes.

Robert Jordan is dead. He died before he could finish the last book, so the series will be finished by Brandon Sanderson. The series has gone down hill since book six though. Jordan committed himself to writing more books than he had material for.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time

retired_joannalaw

I have actually had to rewrite the ingame label part, as Obscure and local reputation are reserved for AI managers. Human players are unproven instead. This it what it looks like now:


Manager Reputation is a partially hidden attribute in FM. If you read your own manager screen you can see your reputation described as one of the following:

1. Unproven
2. Regional
3. National
4. Continental
5. World Class

AI managers cannot be Unproven, they are either of Obscure or Local rep instead.
These labels are actually simple categorizations of a hidden variable called Current Reputation that goes from 0 - 10000. These labels also depend on the nationality of your current or last played league, so you can have unproven reputation in England and change to national reputation if you take a job in Malaysia without your reputation actually changing.

retired_candycorncats

Haven't been on the forums in the last week or so, but I think ZJ has backed up my claim (about Current Rep.).

His manager wasn't Russian, and his Current Rep. went up more than his Home Rep., which makes perfect sense because his surroundings are where his reputation will be affected the most unless you're a star and/or some kind of national hero :p

It course it's probably a little more complicated than this, but I think it's an important part of the explanation.

KUTGW Morridin great that you're keeping the thread alive :thup:

retired_candycorncats

Davey

Just to say well done to both Morridin and ZJ for their efforts on this one.

I initially followed the thread on the sortitoutsi forums and posted some questions regarding my own current game but with the additional info ZJ has added this thread is more interesting.

Keep going, I for one am definatley keeping an eye on this thread.

retired_por7475

Was thinking about this and I'm thinking that surely this has to do with expectation. That is, if you are expected to reach the semi's of some cup comp. and you reach the final then you get a boost in rep., and if not then you don't. But if you're expected to make it to the 2nd round of the same cup and you make it to the semi's then surely you'd get a rep boost?

I've no idea what expectations your club had in the cup you are taking part in but if it is in fact as you say, then it'd be near impossible to advance rep at a lower league club in the cups. So I ask, what were your expectations in said cup comp.?

Also, this could be linked to league rep as well but it'll be more vague.

And I agree, this is definitely one of the most useful threads in GD.

retired_bradp

That would explain it. Sad though, always liked the books. Good to read when you want to turn off from the world for a while. I felt they started to go down around book 8-10 (not sure if I read 11) but after you still wanted to know what happened. Hopefully Brandon will use some of the things Jordan wrote, and I'm sure he wrote that he already written the end. Although its pretty easy to figure out how it would end unless he was planning something weird.

Anyway, back to topic.

While studying today I was running some tests in the background.

With rep of 2571, 3394, 2144 I resigned and went job hunting. I was out after 2 things. Checking the club rep of the jobs I got (not interesting in int jobs this time) and checking the rep of the manager I lost out to.

Firstly, got 8 job offers from varying clubs, rep from 500-2087. 1 portugese, 1 german, 4 english, 1 danish, 1 italian. The prevalance of English may be that my 2nd nationality is English.

Anyway, the majority of jobs I was turned down for had candidates with reps almost twice what I had in home and current. For World I could match most of them. Interestingly enough though, some small clubs got some candidates with very high rep (the managers had about twice home/current to the clubs rep). This also included a club getting a manager with home rep 7000. He was a former international though, so not sure if that had impact.

Here is the interesting part. 3 of the jobs I was turned down for was for candidates that I was superior to. All 3 was in England.

The first two was 2000, 2000, 500 (obviously a just created manager) and 2090, 2090, 482. Assuming it to be a function of Current and World, it still holds true as them together is still better than my world.

The last one however is the interesting one. The candidate that got it was 1719, 1235, 312!!

We thus need to make some hypothesis to investigate this more. This is the situations, give me your suggestions:

a) Comparing managers of the same nationality within the same country

b) Comparing domestic against external managers with different nationality.

c) Comparing domestic against external managers with the same nationality (for example someone who never coached in their home country).

d) Any other situations that can arise.

I'll write more later, gotta go now. If you have any ideas, please post!

Keep up the good work guys.

retired_joannalaw

Don't remember exactly, but I think it was "we expect you to enjoy the experience". Your chances of winning the cup are indeed slim if you participate as a member of one of the lowest leagues. I'm not quite sure how important expectation is. Makes sense that winning anything would make you more famous, regardless of your initial reputation.

As far as i know he had the ending all written out. It will be up to Brandon to fill in the gaps.

My working hypothesis is that secondary nationality gives you the domestic bias in said country.

The big question at this point would be: Were they in your DB prior to their appointment?