retired_bull

I disagree with this point. I think FM has always been a simulation and has never pretended to be otherwise.

I think it'll stay that way to, from what I've heard about FM Live, that'll fill the void of a Football Management game.

retired_pearl44

I am pretty certain this is the last year I buy the game. I just dont see what else it can offer me, apart from a few more pointless features, that will mainly never be used on a large scale.

retired_martina

Well again, just wanna say I didn't take it so seriously so please just relax. I just wanna have fun from the game like everyone else here. Only that the way that we feel fun from the game is some kind of different. I think the match engine itself is most important so I pay more attention to the performance of players on the 2d screen - whether they act some kinda like irl. So when match engine has flaws I would feel disappointed and lose fun. Maybe many others would be happy to take lower league teams to EPL within 2,3 years. So that's 'an entertaining game' attitude and that's different. For that you can other football management game to get fun as well.

retired_ariana07

I disagree with this point. I think FM has always been a simulation and has never pretended to be otherwise.

I think it'll stay that way to, from what I've heard about FM Live, that'll fill the void of a Football Management game. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Not that I disagree that FM is quite a serious game, but it still is a GAME. A simulation game, to be sure, but a game none the less.

And I agree that it's a bit less fun than the old 01/02 and 03/04 were, but it's still fun enough. I don't encounter most of these bugs people talk about. My corners are rarely scored from (I suggest it may be that the keepers in Serie A are a fair bit better than those in BSN ;p ), I never saw any issue regarding penalties, and I never get 20-1 shots, it's always a lot more equal for me.

And I don't get how people manage to go through a season in a few days' time... it takes weeks, if not months, for me. In fact, I rarely make it past more than 3 seasons before a new FM is out.

I fully support the suggestion to have the ability to let the assistant handle other stuff... if I can let him take control of renewing contracts and team talks, why not training? That would be very helpful, with a good assistant.
And I'm still rooting for a "quick result" option. Unlike some, I don't particularly like watching the matches, I much prefer setting up the team.

dejasade

i agree with the media problem. 5 years on i'm still getting media about guthrie coming back to play against liverpool.

the training thing i'm not sure about though. you say you liked cm01/02 because the players actually improve.
they improve in 08 as well though. although i can't remember any of my players improving any of their stamina stats.
the reason why you may notice player improvements in cm01/02 more could be becauuse the improvements were too fast.
hell some people may have considered that a bug.

football manager is a game. it's also a simulation.
i enjoy it as such. i dont enjoy extremely anal flight sims with manuals 5 inches thick so i dont play them. but then alot of people do.

in fact there are lots of games i dont enjoy. the majority of the "RPG" genre for one. dont particularly enjoy the "RTS" games either.
but i accept that because they are made for people who DO enjoy them.

FM08 is fun. it is a football sim and is made for/by people who like football sims

retired_rotert

Wait, you're saying you've won stuff with Derby and you HAVEN'T used tactics to do so? Of course you have. And you got it right. Whereas people who struggle with Man U and the like clearly haven't.

The AI often "cracks" your tactics as well, hence why you have to tweak them every few games and also according to your opposition.

Really? It works. I've proved it time and again. If your opponants are countering your fast tempo game and you can't score, if you slow the tempo down 9 times out of 10 you score.

Whether this is realistic or not, I'm not debating. Just what works on the game.

retired_melaniethered

Is FM08 not fun any more because its so hard?? I have great fun even though i get my backside kicked constantly,

Anyway whats this corner bug i tried it out and it still doesnt make any difference!!!

retired_arzu

To OP.

I think in some ways you are missing the point. Other games in this genre focus on the 'pick up and play' type fun, FM has always focused on the depth of simulation type fun.

All comes down to personal play style and what you consider fun. I actualy disagree with you on almost every point. I want more depth and things to do, not less.

They do get really repetative, no argument there but I would rather they increased the options x10 instead of putting in an option to let the ass man do everything. Though of course if they could do both I guess we'd both like it ;p

For me turning FM into the 'pick up and play' game your suggesting would make it the biggest yawn out there. I play FIFA Manager also when I in the mood for something lighter, but to try to turn FM into fifaman (but without all the glitz and glamor EA does well) would be a disaster.

That's my IMO anyway.

Myros

retired_hanafiah777

I'll add my two pence...

I've played Football Manager (and CM before it became FM) since CM93/94 and I've played every single version. I absolutely love the game, and can spend periods of weeks/months hopelessly addicted to the game.

FM2008 is the best version so far, IMO. There's a few problems I have with it, some irritating, some not so irritating:
1.) The media. The idea of media interaction is fantastic, but it's far too repetitive. As others have said it gets boring commenting on a player you're going to face who you sold several years ago, especially after commenting on the same player several times before. The media interaction needs an overhaul, and things like having a rant against your opponent should have more of an impact upon the players. Plus I'd like to see more player mind games prior to big games, like you get in Champions League games in real life. It'd be nice to have, for example, the ability to ask one of your players to slag off the opposition for being boring.

2.) Team talks. Good idea in principle, but I'm no fan of them. I'm not a master tactician and as such I feel the team talks are too much of a lottery. For example, if I'm 4-0 up at half time I want the ability to say something similar to "go out there and get more!" rather than declare myself pleased, thrilled, or whatever. There should be more options, but not too many as it could get confusing.

3.) The assistant manager. The assistant needs revamping, I want to leave certain stuff in his hands rather than to do it all myself, isn't that the idea of an assistant after all? I want to delegate stuff to him! Most of all I want to be able to have the assistant give proper team talks, because it's far too common that if I go on holiday (if I've won the league early, for example, and I want to speed the game up a bit) I want him to be able to give more than 'No comment' or whatever it is to the players. I've found they quickly get angry with the assistant for not giving team talks.

4.) More stats please! I'm a statistics junkie, I can't get enough of them. While the game is statistics-based I'd still like to see more in-depth stats.

5.) More board interaction. I'd like to have the ability to talk to the board about stuff like adjusting ticket prices, ask them directly how I'm doing and not just have a screen that says whether they're pleased with my current form or not. I'd also like to be able to discuss sponsorship with them, as well as player behaviour. This stuff might be a bit pointless, but it adds to the immersion in the game.

6.) More interaction with players. I'd like to be able to ask a player about where they'd like to play, not where I want to play them. If they're concerned with their form I want them to talk to me about it, not just the other way around.

I feel that in the last couple of versions of the game I've felt somewhat detached from the game, it doesn't feel like I'm involved.

It's still an absolutely epic game, and for me it's pretty fast (MacBook with 2GB RAM) so I've got no speed issues. I just want more stats and more interaction really.

All that said, though, I think it's as fun as you're willing to make it. You can choose to be detached from the game if you wish, or you can choose to get heavily involved with everything constantly tinkering with tactics, training, budgets, scouting, etc.

retired_sinyora

I do agree that it isnt as gd as fm 05 and 06 which where good games but u overlooked the bugs mainly as u always thought it would be sorted out next year lol. It's taken me like 700 hours but finally I am playing a career in fm 08 and i am finding it quite fun. Not just cause I am doing well lol. I am Stranraer and having to build a team and have had the highs of back to back promotions and lows of relegation followed by promotion again. To add to it the board are so bad lol and as unhelpful as possible but then again thats the challenge and i am enjoying it. All i hope for 09 is that it is the same without all the bugs and problems. I dont want any extras till they can sort out what they have already got.