Flaws of Potential Ability

retired_adge1475 · 06-24-2008, 10:13 AM

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I'm not sure there is too much difference between this and PA (if you multiply the % by 2), just slightly less rigidity. In any case, if you don't look at PA, the problem isn't there. Some players simply will not progress however much quality training they get. I think the current system is fine in concept, just needs tiny tweaks.

No, it doesn't work like that. The percentage is scaled so you can't just multiply it by two. What advantage this has is that there is no set potential to a players ability; certain players have a better chance to be good and others have a lesser chance... but everyone has a chance of some sort.

I think setting a maximum limit to soneone's talent is ludicrous because we cannot predict the future like that. You can look and say "oh well Vela is a guarenteed superstar so let's give him -10 PA". OK that's great, but surely there's a chance he'll be a failure. Or even more absurd: setting the PA for players like Fabregas or Messi. There should be no limit, no cap to the amount they progress to.

retired_racinchick17 · 06-24-2008, 10:21 AM

Or maybe you could just accept that it is a game mechanic put in place to stop top clubs from getting all their players for free from their youth systems?

retired_lbils · 06-24-2008, 10:25 AM

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Originally posted by Scott1990: There should be no limit, no cap to the amount they progress to.

Whyever not? At some point they will reach a stage where they simply won't improve overall any longer. Same applies for Man Utd youth team players, they don't all go on to play in League 1 or so, some of them simply aren't good enough for a professional career at the end of it. The simple fact of life is that those players didn't have the potential to make it, despite being trained an Man U.

retired_adge1475 · 06-24-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by pelicanstuff:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Scott1990: There should be no limit, no cap to the amount they progress to.

Whyever not? At some point they will reach a stage where they simply won't improve overall any longer. Same applies for Man Utd youth team players, they don't all go on to play in League 1 or so, some of them simply aren't good enough for a professional career at the end of it. The simple fact of life is that those players didn't have the potential to make it, despite being trained an Man U. </BLOCKQUOTE>

When I said that quote, I was referring to people with high set PAs, namely Messi and Fabregas. Obviously some players have a lower capacity to improve and won't make it.

retired_lbils · 06-24-2008, 12:38 PM

Messi and Fabregas will stop improving at some point as well, it's not as if their talent is infinite.

dejasade · 06-24-2008, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by Kawee:
First of all, let me make myself clear that I believe that the CA/PA is the right way to do things.

But I think there's just something wrong with the PA and the way players develop.

First of all, let me define PA, as I understand it since my whole post will revolves around it.

PA is basically THE BEST THAT A PLAYER CAN BE. Assuming a player has had the PERFECT upbrining:
- Best coach
- Best Training
- Best playing experience
- No injuries

He will reach his PA, correct?

Now...I was thinking about those players whose PA is below 100. How good do you think this PA suggest? Is it League 2 level? Or Conference level?

What really bugs me is the thought of a 17 year old whose PA is below 100. That means, if this particular 17 year old, was trained by Man Utd, play for Man Utd, week-in week-out, receive no injuries, he will not improve beyond the PA of 100?

Surely, if you take an average 17 year old, and gives him that, he'd be at least a championship level player.

It doesn't matter if it WILL happen or not. What matters is IF it happens, because that's what the PA is about. IF a player receives the perfect upbringing, how far will he go?

I'd just like to hear what you guys think. Think, if YOU were the 17 year old. And you trained with the best and played with the best and never suffered any major injury, how good will YOU be? I'm pretty sure you'll be better than a league 2 player.

if a player starts off at scunthorpe. he will have a PA of 120 (for example)
at scunthorpe he will only make it to CA 70.
he moves to manutd where the extra money pumped into training etc will allow him to reach 120.

i see no problem with it.

i doubt i'd be better than a conference south player even if i trained with a to p team.

retired_lbils · 06-25-2008, 12:06 AM

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Originally posted by postal postie:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Kawee:
First of all, let me make myself clear that I believe that the CA/PA is the right way to do things.

But I think there's just something wrong with the PA and the way players develop.

First of all, let me define PA, as I understand it since my whole post will revolves around it.

PA is basically THE BEST THAT A PLAYER CAN BE. Assuming a player has had the PERFECT upbrining:
- Best coach
- Best Training
- Best playing experience
- No injuries

He will reach his PA, correct?

Now...I was thinking about those players whose PA is below 100. How good do you think this PA suggest? Is it League 2 level? Or Conference level?

What really bugs me is the thought of a 17 year old whose PA is below 100. That means, if this particular 17 year old, was trained by Man Utd, play for Man Utd, week-in week-out, receive no injuries, he will not improve beyond the PA of 100?

Surely, if you take an average 17 year old, and gives him that, he'd be at least a championship level player.

It doesn't matter if it WILL happen or not. What matters is IF it happens, because that's what the PA is about. IF a player receives the perfect upbringing, how far will he go?

I'd just like to hear what you guys think. Think, if YOU were the 17 year old. And you trained with the best and played with the best and never suffered any major injury, how good will YOU be? I'm pretty sure you'll be better than a league 2 player.

if a player starts off at scunthorpe. he will have a PA of 120 (for example)
at scunthorpe he will only make it to CA 70.
he moves to manutd where the extra money pumped into training etc will allow him to reach 120.

i see no problem with it.

i doubt i'd be better than a conference south player even if i trained with a to p team. </BLOCKQUOTE>

This is the other point I was supposed to make in those posts, but I lost my train of thought. Thanks.

retired_adge1475 · 06-25-2008, 12:39 AM

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Messi and Fabregas will stop improving at some point as well, it's not as if their talent is infinite.

Yes but we aren't at the level in which we can predict that they surely will not progress past a certain level or if they will even make it to said level in the first place.

retired_lbils · 06-25-2008, 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by Scott1990:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Messi and Fabregas will stop improving at some point as well, it's not as if their talent is infinite.

Yes but we aren't at the level in which we can predict that they surely will not progress past a certain level or if they will even make it to said level in the first place. </BLOCKQUOTE>

The game's a simulation, not a device for predicting the future. As postal postie mentions above, just because a player has a set PA doesn' t mean he will reach it. And if you don't cheat by using scout or FMM to look at PA, the unknowns in the game are quite similar to real life.

retired_jewel226 · 06-25-2008, 12:45 AM

OK, I have a point that I was going to make a thread about, but may as well put it in here. Now, if this has already been seen/mentioned then I apolgise.

I have Federico Fazio for my Utd side. After half a year or so at Utd I used FMM to look at the PAs of youth teamers (cheating I know, but I dont care) and I also had a look at Fazio. His PA was 152 I think. Not great, but so long as his stats were in the right place, so be it. Now, at the start of my 3rd season, I used FMM again to have a look as I didnt think some of the PAs in the list someone posted here were right. Fazios PA had risen!!! Not his CA, his PA! It has gone up to 180something. This may be an error by me, but can PAs change? If so then the OP was right and due to him being at Utd with 7star training and CL football his PA improved

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