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Originally posted by LFCfan:
Personally, I think that if an exploit is made known, then people are tempted to use it no matter their ethics.
I would say there a reasonably large percentage that does but a sophsiticated mionority that wouldn't go near an exploit with a bargepole. The tactics forum, rather than being an exploit-fest, is actually a mish-mash of exploitive fantasists and tactical realists. There have been large-scale changes in attitude in the last two-three years, plus a lot of arguing and sniping, something that you guys have also had your fill of I'm sure. I certainly side with the realists, hence my appreciation of LLaMadom.
As Pangaea rightly says, neither camp is full of barbaric savages. I'd love to be involved with the LLaMa community but can't due to my tactical interests prohibiting my doing so. However, as those interests and commitments always lead towards pursuit of a more realistic 2d simulation for all I hope to improve the LLaMas lot in future FMs. In that respect I am firmly alligned to LLaMaistic realism (being the only way I can ever be so), regarding it as superior to every tactician who has ever knowingly abused an exploit.
Originally posted by wwfan:
However, as those interests and commitments always lead towards pursuit of a more realistic 2d simulation for all I hope to improve the LLaMas lot in future FMs.
This is the great longterm impact of the tactics forum. As tacticians out there come up with tactics that take advantage of the game engine in this or that way, the SI team will become aware of this and fill the holes. Hence the forum is helping to make FM more realistic.
I actually think there is more in common between llamas and (some) TTT people than our reputation would indicate. Not in the way we play the game, but in the striving for more realism.
Originally posted by Pangaea:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by wwfan:
However, as those interests and commitments always lead towards pursuit of a more realistic 2d simulation for all I hope to improve the LLaMas lot in future FMs.
This is the great longterm impact of the tactics forum. As tacticians out there come up with tactics that take advantage of the game engine in this or that way, the SI team will become aware of this and fill the holes. Hence the forum is helping to make FM more realistic.
I actually think there is more in common between llamas and (some) TTT people than our reputation would indicate. Not in the way we play the game, but in the striving for more realism. </BLOCKQUOTE>
I'd prefer to put it 'find an exploit, report it but refuse to use it'
That tacticians only win via exploting the engine is a complete misperception, although I would accept its historic validity.
There are obvious differences between various users. And when you do crap you are more likely to use any exploits you know about.
And it's hard to argue the Diablo tactic was not rather popular
Thankfully stuff like that improve the match engine over time. And I hear FML has improved the match engine tremendously. Hopefully the next FM will be even more realistic, with even fewer exploits (assuming there are any now).
A quick question that relates to the content of this thread:
What does a Llama do if their "perfectly legitimately created tactic" exploits the game in some way?
A/ hinder their team by removing the offending item? (an unrealistic thing for a manager to do)
or
B/ allow the exploit to exist, which in turn causes unrealistic scorelines etc to appear.
Either option has a degree of unrealisticness (is that a word?) to it, and i was curious as to what the LLM opinion would be.
I don't see any content in my post that clashes with any LLM rules, but if i have offended then i appologise in advance, especially to claret :p
NB: I don't claim to be a llama (as some of you no doubt know, having had a few "debates"), although i do play in an LLM-like manner and have found such a situation in my current save. I was just curious what people think would be the most appropriate manner in which to resolve this.
Originally posted by iajafer:
Doesn't apply to LLM.
There's no way someone playing an LLM game would know that the tactic was exploiting the game.
Feel free to edit if this contradicts any rules (as it's getting a bit close...):
"Fmt x produces 250% too many goals from x position"
This is blatantly clear to anyone with a passing interest in football, it is clearly something that shouldn't be happening, and is, as such an exploit within the tactic.
Is this a more appropriate question to be asking?
My original wasn't referring to something obscure, just an exploit (that can be arrived at all too easily and innocently i might have to add) that produces something so erroneus that a Llama would know it to be an exploit.
I've gone to lengths to articulate myself within the forum rules, i hope i can have an answer this time
You don't appear to understand the intricacies and method of playing LLM, Ched.
Using your scouts and playing people promoted through your academy even Merlin the Wizard couldn't develop a tactic that would have a player producing 250% too many goals.
PLUS, how would someone playing LLM produce a figure like "250%" unless he was into some shenanigans.
In answer to your original question, however, any LLaMa worth their salt would ditch the exploitative tactic if it were disropting the game, to the extent of ditching the game.
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