VonBlade

The most annoying thing about the regen situation is that it's really REALLY easy to check.

You'd think that you'd need to play umpteen seasons to see the fruits of the regens, but actually just start a game with fake players.

Besides the fact that there is an obvious "one Bulgarian in the Spurs squad" pattern to the nationalities, the actual quality of them is abysmal. And it's obvious to anyone who cares to glance.

Which obviously doesn't include SI

JohnShaft

I'm really encouraged that there's others out there, who've been playing FM before it was FM, are as fed up with this situation as I am.
I'm really discouraged that year after year SI allow this problem not to be properly addressed.

Kerem makes a very good point I've made in the past in response to "the same boat". A few regens creep through with proper physical stats. Whoever ends up with them ends up with a dominant player compared to the others. You get them you win, you don't you lose. But it just feels like cheating. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
And the AI doesn't get the huge difference between the regen Drogbas, Toni's, Rio Ferdinands, Eddie Johnson's, and the normal "world class" regens with pace/jumping 10-12.

The thing is this issue should be well solvable. My top-of-the-head "solution" might not be watertight, but I'm damn sure it would produce regens of a much more comparable, and better, standard.

I'd use the youth players in the original database as a baseline to compare to when generating each new year of regens.

The SIMPLE way. Make sure that each attribute (eg. Jumping/Pace/Determination) is distributed across a similar range as the original youth. A graph of this attribute should produce a similar % of 20's, 19's, etc, etc.
IF IT DOESN'T TWEAK THEM UNTIL IT DOES.

The better way. Do the above. But compare POSITIONALLY. Compare a CB Newgens Jumping/Pace/etc with ORIGINAL youth CB's. That way we don't get wingers given as good Jumping as CB's thereby wasting it.

The best way. As above, but make sure that certain attributes are double compared. Jumping/Pace should be compared together for example, as players with top Jumping are likely to be slower (Toni, Klose) and players who are faster are more likely to be worse in the air (e.g. Owen, Messi).

(The crazy thing is I could do, and would do, all this myself for my current games if all the info was in say a MySQL database, just using simple queries and comparison. But no, it's all hidden away, and programs like Genie Scout don't even allow for mass editing, which would be a minimum requirement.)

And that there would be my solution. Even the second way would produce newgens of a very good standard for a career game, and the third way would see them near perfect.

Something, for some reason, SI has never come close to acheiving...

Veg

After what I know Si have confirmed that they are working on the newgen problems..

Hauler24

I made another post about this issue. I think SI don't really want people to have long term games, why would they. They lose money if you don't want to buy the next in the series. So why would they give a crap. SI isn't an EA type size of a company there a small business in this gaming industry. They may feel it better to grab your attention and release new features rather work on things they may not feel affect the game as much. Its sad that nothing has happened on this issue but thats business.

FMFanatic8080

hauler,
i dont agree with you, if the new features are really interesting like this years people would rather the new than the old except for a the minority. Would a business rather satisfy the majority by fixing this problem and releasing better series the year after or disappoint the majority and satisfy the minority by not fixing this problem?

BamBamBam

Please can we have some news about this issue...

Just done a quick check on this major problem:

Players under 20 valued over £2.5m:

2007-71. Messi is worth £23m
2012-30.
2016-13! Top rated player £2.4m!

Its completed ruined my enjoyment of playing the game.

JohnShaft

That would be exactly what they've said for at least the last three years.

I think it was 2 years ago they had someone completely "rework" the regens and we were promised that they'd be "right" and a really big improvement.

What did we get? The same old rubbish.

I've outlined above a way regens could be probably 90% right no problem, where SI probably have them 50% right and with a whole raft of obvious problems.

As for believing them this year I'm sorry to say, on this issue, I now look at SI as "the boy who cried wolf".

JohnShaft

Bam, exactly, it's what I posted above.

I found 20 original players with a value over 5.5M, and ONE regen. 20-to-1, great ratio huh?

I found 20 originals with a SALE VALUE of over 25M, and NO REGENS. 20-to-0.

It's just beyond flawed. It's killed me playing the game 5 years on. I just wish there was a way I could tweak it by editing the database, or at least if there was a program out there that allowed mass edits.

pelicanstuff

I did some fairly detailed testing with the regens on FM2007 and they were, in fact, far far too good. Maybe 2008 has overcompensated slightly, as it was just ridiculous.

Sale value is a reputation problem, not an ability problem.

JohnShaft

Pelican, as good as they were in 2007 they are much worse imo in '08. I didn't notice them being much better last year. This year Stevie Wonder couldn't miss the terrible standard of them.

Quite simply the game HAS TO produce Ronaldo, Rooney, Bojan level talent. It's not doing that, and what's worse the *overall standard* of players is incredibly poor (especially in key areas).

And value also has a knock on effect from lack of talent, but it's a minor problem when compared to the standard of regens coming into the game, who quite simply are almost never good enough for Serie A/Premiership level.

I'd take last years regens over this ANY DAY.