retired_katysdodd

That's all well and good, but surely you'd need to increase their PA for this to have any effect whatsoever? Decreasing their age won't make them any better potentially.

firefighterhilf

That's all well and good, but surely you'd need to increase their PA for this to have any effect whatsoever? Decreasing their age won't make them any better potentially. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he's talking about using this method to create a more realistic amount of wonderkids, i.e taking regens that start of at 19/20 and have high PA, but because of their age are given a higher starting CA than your usual 16 year old regen. If you then reduce this players age to 17 using FMM the you can actually have players younger than 20 who are good enough to be in the first team.

Quite a good idea, unfortunately I've never used FMM before so it's out for me. Also it doesn't solve the problem of these players having poor physical attributes, which they inevitably will.

retired_meaganeldridge

unfortunately you cant use fmm on the mac. i used to use it when i had a pc to "fix" regens. If you reconfigure a lot of regens and not just the ones you own or are intending to buy then it doesnt feel like cheating.

things to do - drop all regen dc's corner taking to 1 - frees up PA for other more relevant attributes. it is probably worth doing this for many players actually

ditto with long throws - you need very few players with good long throwing, and certainly dont want your strikers or attacking midfielders to have their PA wasted with a ridiculously good ability to throw the ball. I wouldnt be suprised if the barrel chested mr rooney can throw the ball well, but you will rarely see him do it in a real game.

boost a great many defenders jumping to at least 15 - that way they can be half decent, same goes for strikers.

and increase the CA ofalot of the players with high PA. a player with a PA of 199 but a CA of 50 may never amount to anything - if you boost his CA to 100 + he may.

Thug

That's all well and good, but surely you'd need to increase their PA for this to have any effect whatsoever? Decreasing their age won't make them any better potentially. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he's talking about using this method to create a more realistic amount of wonderkids, i.e taking regens that start of at 19/20 and have high PA, but because of their age are given a higher starting CA than your usual 16 year old regen. If you then reduce this players age to 17 using FMM the you can actually have players younger than 20 who are good enough to be in the first team.

Quite a good idea, unfortunately I've never used FMM before so it's out for me. Also it doesn't solve the problem of these players having poor physical attributes, which they inevitably will. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly. I do a search on Regens that came in that year with a PA higher than 170+ and at the age 19-20, I then drop there age to 17 giving them more time to develop. I have seen quite a few wonderkids come through at several clubs.

I know it doesn't take the fact away that you shouldn't have to do it, it should be ok in the first place, but it makes the game more enjoyable for me.

gtzpower

I've seen this brought up countless times, but I've never had any problems with it despite playing to 2030. I've had promising youngsters, ones who have flourished despite me thinking they had no chance, and ones I had earmarked as potential stars turn out rubbish. I've had wonderkids too - Piet van Kesteren, a left winger was a first team regular for me in the Serie A from age 18, as was one of my AMCs from about 19 who went on to have a ton of 20 ratings.

The only issue I've found with it is that exceptional pace seems to be so rare, and oddly weighted. I signed a player who had 19/19 for pace and acceleration and was rated generally as the best player in the world - I never checked his CA, but I'd think it must have been ridiculously high. The only thing is, he had very poor stats for every other position, and his striking stats peaked at 16. Clearly so much of his CA went into his pace that his others were clearly lacking.

Generally, I prefer regens to real players a couple of years in, since its been realistically researched that players with top ability will have some weaknesses in their game, defenders with poor concentration particularly. So long as they're tall enough, regenerated players generally tend to be very well rounded.

propilot5000

The CA/PA system is not a very good way to judge player utility.

A high CA means that the stat average is high. It says nothing of the player's ability to play any position well.

Anyone who's read Kipfizh's AI experiment is familiar with Maia, a new/regen who, despite a fully realized PA of 199, could never break the 7.0 AvR threshold. This was because his stats were distributed very evenly, meaning that the stat concentration necessary to be elite at any position was lacking.

Anyone who is looking at CA/PA is using some third-party database analysis software (Genie Scout or whatever). Try sorting by positional ratings. You'll find that, even at the start of the game, many of the best players at any position may only have PAs of 170. This is because, despite an overall lower average stat rating, their stats are concentrated in such a way that allows them to excel in specific roles or positions.

Make sense?

GreenRage

That seems like a fair spread to me. Your youth team has produced 6 potentially international- to world-class players, which when you consider real world youth teams I think you'd consider that a pretty good outcome.

Also I don't think it's surprising that the majority of the players are between 130-159 at all. I would expect to have a fair number from this catagory with excellant youth facilities. A potential around 130 would suggest a decent Championship level footballer, whilst 140-150 would be a decent player who could play in the Premier League.

I think you should be fairly pleased if most of your youth products end up playing at that level, seeing as IRL only a small number will end up playing in the top 2 divisions. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I am pleased with the level of players produced.

My surprise was with the high number of 130-159 PA players, I actually expected less than that.

So far the regen system seems to be working fine on my game.

retired_roshawnda82

You expect to have a Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Neville(s) year every year!? Crazy. Most Premiership youth teams will look to produce one player per year who is good enough to come through to their first team at some point!

retired_pooped out

The problem with regens is not their PA its their CA, they have CA so low they will never get anywhere near their PA

gtzpower

I've honestly never had that problem at all. As San Marino I've been signing up foreign youngsters and keeping them in my U20s squad until they get a passport and I can call them up - keeping them quiet so that Brazil dont notice them. All of them, just from very limited exposure to any first team football at all, have ended up at 23 more than good enough to fit into my youth team, and most of them from there then exploded with first team football and got even better. I've not found it a problem in the slightest of players failing to reach their potential, unless I were to use a scout program and take a look at the PA and see if any of my ex-youngsters I've released have shown a very well hidden talent that I missed.

I've never once looked at the CA or PA numbers, and never once found any sort of issue about it. Top level players are still top level players regardless.