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1 - A lack of physical players. This is my biggest annoyence at the moment as now in my game it's almost impossible to find a strong physical player or a really fast player. There are plenty of regens who are excellent both technically and physically but who are ruined by the fact that they have below 8 for almost every physical attribute.
That bit should of course read 'Technically and Mentally'.
Originally posted by Themistofelis:
I still wonder why young players don't start with all their non physical stats at 1 so you can build their position and stats with training.
*Youth academy and facilities are not worth the investment , if i am not going to have at least 2 guys with PA +180 and 5 with PA +160 every year then it is just not cost effective .
Academy & facilities at 20 equal with many international camps around the world from where only the best make it to youth team , getting guys good enough for the Somali Premiership is not balancing the game it is destroying it.
Completely unrealistic expectations. How many clubs in the world have that sort of output of youngsters? None I would say. The closest anyone has come to that would be back in the early 90s when Man United got very fortunate getting a number of high quality players in one year. Other than that most clubs are lucky if they get 2 players into the 1st team each year, particularly at top clubs.
A potential of 180+ would be a potential world class player. Expecting to get 2 per year through your youth team is completely unrealistic.
Year 2014, the only player on my filter with 20 for pace is Agbonlahor - the ex-Vill-now-Arsenal player (£28m well spent on a 5 goals a season player, heh-heh).
Probably there are players out there whom I could scout but I should be able to see SOME players with 20 pace. Basic knowledge of the footballing world would suffice. Clubs in Spain knew about Walcott when he was at Saints.
Originally posted by The Lambs:
I am playing as Aston Villa in the 2017/18 season, I started with a lower team and joined about 7 years ago.
Using FMM I can see we have a reputation of 9542, which is no suprise as we are the best team in the world.
Youth setup at 20 and a youth academy.
I recorded the the youth talent over 8 re-loads in the 2017 summer.
Here is the spread of PA I got over the 8 reloads:
190-199 = 0
180-189 = 1 (184, so good enough to be a world star if he reached his potential)
170-179 = 1 (174, good enough to be a Premier star if trained up well)
160-169 = 1 (166 premier first team player)
150-159 = 23 (Most will be destined for League one or Championship football unless they reach their potential)
140-149 = 20
130-139 = 31
120-129 = 2
110-119 = 2
100-109 = 0
99 and less = 12 (including a 39!)
On average I had 12 regens come through the ranks, but the range was from 7 to 14.
No CA was higher than 85, with out using FMM or the scout reports I would never of known which players were worth keeping and who needed releasing on a free.
I checked back through all my old graduates on the transfers history screen:
Nick Eastwood is a D/WBL with a PA of 196 from 2016/17 season.
Tom Carr is a GK with a PA of 188 from 2014/15
Lee Reynolds plays for Blackburn as a DM and has a PA of 170, he came through the ranks in 2012/13
John Fortune is a Defender who has ended up at my second managers team in the Championship, with a PA of 177 and a CA of 147 he is a first team choice for them at the age of 22. He came through the ranks in 2011/2012.
Jon Roberts is a AML who has also ended up in the championship. Graduating in 2008/2009, his CA of 141 is still some way from his PA of 175.
Steven Hill who has now broken into my first team at the age of 23 has a CA of 162 and a PA of 199! He was a regen from Wolves in 2010/11.
So it would appear that you will produce one player with a reasonable PA (by reasonable I mean above 165) every other season.
The stats on the Regens above are all pretty good for their positions, meaning that my training and loaning must be working.
What was a surprise to me was the number of 130-159 PA players I have produced.
That seems like a fair spread to me. Your youth team has produced 6 potentially international- to world-class players, which when you consider real world youth teams I think you'd consider that a pretty good outcome.
Also I don't think it's surprising that the majority of the players are between 130-159 at all. I would expect to have a fair number from this catagory with excellant youth facilities. A potential around 130 would suggest a decent Championship level footballer, whilst 140-150 would be a decent player who could play in the Premier League.
I think you should be fairly pleased if most of your youth products end up playing at that level, seeing as IRL only a small number will end up playing in the top 2 divisions.
Originally posted by KK2003:
Completely unrealistic expectations. How many clubs in the world have that sort of output of youngsters? None I would say. The closest anyone has come to that would be back in the early 90s when Man United got very fortunate getting a number of high quality players in one year. Other than that most clubs are lucky if they get 2 players into the 1st team each year, particularly at top clubs.
A potential of 180+ would be a potential world class player. Expecting to get 2 per year through your youth team is completely unrealistic.
Who the hell cares about realism ? i am paying for state of the art youth facilities and demand to get world class players every year.
At least there should be an option for the assistant manager " if he is not going to be top don't bring him to my club ".
From what i've seen (very little) the regens do degrade and there isn't much argument to say they dont.
But people wanting as many as 1 player of over 180 PA in about 3 years is odd. imo Excellant facilities aught to bring in a lot of possible mid table players and 1 or 2 good prem players.
To want more is silly and whoever wants to eradicate realism is stupid. thats the whole idea behind the game...
Originally posted by Themistofelis:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by KK2003:
Completely unrealistic expectations. How many clubs in the world have that sort of output of youngsters? None I would say. The closest anyone has come to that would be back in the early 90s when Man United got very fortunate getting a number of high quality players in one year. Other than that most clubs are lucky if they get 2 players into the 1st team each year, particularly at top clubs.
A potential of 180+ would be a potential world class player. Expecting to get 2 per year through your youth team is completely unrealistic.
Who the hell cares about realism ? i am paying for state of the art youth facilities and demand to get world class players every year.
At least there should be an option for the assistant manager " if he is not going to be top don't bring him to my club ". </BLOCKQUOTE>
Who cares about realism? It's a football management simulation, its aim is to be realistic. Do Ferguson or Wenger demand that they get world class youngsters through the academy every year? Their clubs are paying for state of the art facilities after all.
Tell you what, why don't we just have it so the only youth players that come through all have a PA of 190+? Then you can win everything without trying, it'll be loads of fun :thumbup:
I don't think I've seen a more ludicrous post on these boards, and I've read a lot of posts.
I agree with this aswell. The quality of regens is really poor and you hardly get any "world class" regens.
What i have done is found that you get quite a few Regens every year that start at the age of 20 and have a CA over 100, normally between 100-110. So what I do is load up FMM and decrease there age to 17. Giving them an extra 3 years to develop without making the game unrealistic because it still ties up with there history stats. The only difference is they entered the game at 17 instead of 20. Then if trained right by their current clubs they can become a wonderkid by the time they are 20. I have also done this for 19 year old being entered into the game as regens. I decrease there age by 2 years to 17
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