retired_lachina

There is more to the quality of the regen then just potential ability. Stats play an important part in the game and I have seen players with just a PA of 160develop into a top player with top stats.

However, I think the regen situation can be improved. Right now, the regens have no identity or any traits that make them "special" or "different" from another regen.
For example, take Simao and Nani. Simao and Nani have near identical stats, but if one looks at them IRL and in the preferred moves section, Simao is more of a winger take hugs line and get crosses in, while Nani loves to cut in and shoots.
They both have different playing styles.

For regens, unless there is tutoring for them to learn these preferred moves, they just seems so alike and no different, like robots coming out from a factory.

I think part of the game we love, is finding a young player, nurturing him, getting to know his preferred moves, his personality and hearing that you are his mentor and his favourite manager.
Character development

retired_mekeesha

I've been using Genie to check the CA/PA of regens every June 20th.

The pattern is that the proportion of high PAs does decrease significantly compared to the number at t he start of the game.

mustangbad

There are good regens with high PA but most of them are not in my team and are either dirty or injury prone or are defenders with 5 for positioning/concentration/jumping and pace or attackers without flair or technique. None of those attributes can be trained to a usable level for premiership.

Godfearer

I still wonder why young players don't start with all their non physical stats at 1 so you can build their position and stats with training.

*Youth academy and facilities are not worth the investment , if i am not going to have at least 2 guys with PA +180 and 5 with PA +160 every year then it is just not cost effective .
Academy & facilities at 20 equal with many international camps around the world from where only the best make it to youth team , getting guys good enough for the Somali Premiership is not balancing the game it is destroying it.

star

another problem is that the computer is **** at nurturing talent. in long term games they all eventually have old teams and are easily beatable (since you have managed to get every good young player).

The end result is that the game is far too easy after 8 seasons in and completely unplayable

retired_morren

someone was right earlier when they said seperate ca and pa for phy/men/tech. would make a lot more sense.

there is a cap on players technical, physical and mental ability and they are all at different levels.

retired_rotert

I'm in 2014 and there are tons of great newgens. Barca just paid Leeds £21M for a 30 goal a season ST who they got for £3.2M a couple of seasons before. (I'm not managing Leeds in this instance). I'm at Chelski and had a 18m bid for a German winger rejected.

Peeking at my current squad with miniscout I have a DC with a 178CA and a ST with 182, and a couple of 19yr old reserves with 150-165CA and PA of 170-190! All from my scouting "network". Quite a few i've bought are topping out at 120, but I'll make some money off them by selling them down the leagues. Kind of wish I hadn't peeked now as I prefer to nurture them without doing so. Just wanted to check how "atrocious" the newgens actually are, and they're not bad at all. Physical stats are the main issue IMO, but not atrocious.

Apparently they get far, far worse in another 10-20 years, tho.

SI have said many times this is being reviewed for FM09, so it's an old issue.

retired_rotert

Definitely. I've had a number of newgens with world class technical ability, but so slow they may only have one leg, or so stupid (mental stats) they're registered disabled. I sold one 21yr old newgen with a CA of 150 and PA of 178 because he had incredible mental stats but poor physical ones.

I suspect the problem - past the 2020 mark - is that they develop only one area of their abilities instead of spread across the board. A DC with 20 in marking, heading, tackling, is pretty useless with 8 in concentration, positioning, anticipation and pace.

firefighterhilf

Right, as Gateshead I'm currently in the year 2025 and can assure you there are plenty of decent regens about. However there are definitely a number of problems with the pool of players in the future. Some of these problems have already been mentioned but I'm going to list them all again anyway:

1 - A lack of physical players. This is my biggest annoyence at the moment as now in my game it's almost impossible to find a strong physical player or a really fast player. There are plenty of regens who are excellent both technically and physically but who are ruined by the fact that they have below 8 for almost every physical attribute.

2 - A lack of wonderkids. There are no regens created with a high CA, so you never have an 18 year old wonderkid in your team in the future. The high PA regens are never actually good enough to break into the first team of a top club until they are around 22/23.

3 - The AI's inability to properly develop youngsters. One annoyance in my game now is the fact there are hardly any players left with PPM's. It seems that the AI is pretty poor at getting players linked together for tutoring purposes. So because regens aren't generated with any natural PPM's, by the time you get a smaller team up into a position where you could have players in your team that good enough to tutor your youngsters there are barely any decent players left who have PPM's to pass on. By the time you get to the point where only regens remain in the game the number of players with PPM's constantly gets smaller and smaller until eventually there will be none left.

Solutions?
I think it would be much better to have more high PA regens created, but for it to be a lot more varied as to which players actually reach their PA. This would mean a lot of potentially good players around but not all of them would be able to reach their potential. Personality and career shouold basically play a much bigger part in who reaches their potential.

Secondly there should be more regens created with a higher starting CA. This is definitely a must so that in the future you still get Bojan's, Fabregas's, Bolatelli's and Ronaldo's. You should also have regens created with a decent starting CA but a PA that is not too much higher to represent those players that look likt they will end up being world class but actually never turn out to be.

The other thing I think is needed is to have some regens created with positionally related PPM's already learned. This way there will be less chance of PPM's dying out pretty much completely in long term games and will again help there to be more wonderkids created.

retired_chlmllr

The problem isn't a lack of high potential players, but development of their stats. In this version you have the lack of agility and balance, along with strange physical stats. Players with two good feet will usually struggle physically, which makes no sense at all.

Then there's all the extreme players with a couple of nice 20s, but with low numbers in lots of key areas. Perhaps most importantly though is that the free attributes and set pieces doesn't improve and that players go from their prime to their all time low in a very short time.

I'm all for templates.