propilot5000

Exactly!

No matter how many times we suggest that PA is only one way of rating a player, people will still be shocked and angry that they can't have a single numerical value by which to judge all talent in FM.

The positional ratings are much more useful. PA is just an overall, non-position-specific, rating. If you are the most well-balanced player in the world but don't have the ability to excel in any actual on-field position, how good are you, really? That's why there are so many players, IRL and in FM, that are great despite having glaring shortcomings.

It is true that, usually, a high PA, or high overall talent, means that a player will be pretty darn good in at least one position. But, in my experience, the players that have high positional ratings are the ones to go after.

The positional ratings incorporate the positional training of the player. If your right fullback trains as a right midfielder, his right midfielder rating goes up. His CA/PA do not. But it sure seems to make sense that we should be able to observe some effect of positional training in their ability ratings, right? You don't get better at passing just by playing midfield. But you do get better at playing midfield by playing midfield. Although it may not show up in the attributes (CA/PA) it does show up somewhere (scouted position ratings).

I think there is really something valuable to be learned here, but, as long as people keep posting rants about the inadequacy of the CA/PA system instead of looking for solutions that may be more useful, we'll just keep spinning our wheels.

retired_hinchmaa

I gotta say that i agree that there is a lack of decent "regens".

I'm in season 2015/16, and i can't even find one wonderkid!

And the highest value of an under 20 is £4.3m!!!

What is going on?

retired_channer06

Does this mean you use the genie scout to see which youngsters come into the game?

Not saying there's anything wrong with that. I used it on a game a while ago but found it easy to get all of the potentially good players if your an established premier league side. Sent them out on loan for a few years and then when they got good enough for the first team I couldnt keep them all happy because I had so many good players. Hard to find out who's actaully the most effective in their position too as sometimes players with only 160 or so PA ability can bang em in for fun (eg. Scott Sinclair, Zarate).

If I do use it now I just get a couple of the top ones. Its also annoying when there's an absolute superstar in the making but he's from Botswana or Surinam or Lebanon and you cant get a work permit for him if your a championship team, neither can you get a feeder club to avoid work permit regulations. They end up retiring at the age of 19.

retired_sstacii

You'll have to excuse my ignorance but doesn't "regen" mean a "regenerated" player, the key being the "re-" part. By the sounds of it these rubbish players seem to be completely new but I thought most or all of the players in the game were retired player. This works because it derives from the current overall standard of players in the database at the beginning of the game, which no one seems to have a problem with.

So if Maldini retires he should, effectively, turn up in someone's youth, maybe a different nationality, but effectively him when he was 14/15. This seems fine to me providing the "regen" can up end up potentially coming through the ranks of Bilbao or Cardiff or Groningen, although more likely at one of the huge clubs with massive youth resources.

So Maldini retires, and where he comes back depends on (or what factors I think are important are)-

Youth Facilities of Club
Training Facilities
Staff Reputation and youth "abilities"
Reputation of Club
To some extent Country club plays in
To some extent region of Country (I believe there is a hidden desirability of location stat for clubs)
Economic Power of Club

You have some kind of ability points cap calculation happen so he just can't end up at Grays Ath, but above a certain level there is chance he'll come back to your club as a 14/15 year old, this chance being higher the better the factors I mention above are.

This may all be toilet, if so I apologise.

retired_hinchmaa

Still no decent young players in my game either way.

deantibbetts

I think this is the problem with this debate. I'm sure there are plenty of "decent" youngsters in your game, but I doubt any of them are "fantastic". I personally don't think the quality of regens affects the game adversely, because when it comes down to it if we continue to buy the best of the good players now available we wills till have the best players in the world.

In my game there are loads of really good regens, but they are lacking in other areas e.g. nationality, never being a wonderkid, some strange attributes and terrible personality traits.

retired_echater

CA/PA is position specific - the essentially CA is the weighted sum of a players individual attributes, and the weightings are designed so that players with strengths suited to their preferred position(s) and weaknesses irrelevant to their preferred positions will have a higher CA than players with the same average attributes distributed evenly.

Unfortunately this weighting system is suboptimal at present.

Learning new positions does affect their current ability (retraining a in a new position uses up CA; although a player can be retrained in new positions when close to their PA it will cause other attributes to atrophy).

retired_eliebri

i hate the regens who have like 20 finishing and like 3 composure with 20 strength and 6 acceleration and pace with 4 creativity and 18 passing.

alidog

Regen quality is pretty poor.

I'm in 2018, and looking at the England squad shows that only ONE of the starting 11 of the last match was a regen. That's frankly shocking.

Of the 26 man squad, the breakdown was as follows:

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">Age : 2018 : 2008 (Most recent RL squad)33+ : 3 : 2 32 : 1 : 031 : 1 : 030 : 5 : 029 : 4 : 128 : 5 : 227 : 2 : 326 : 3 (1 regen) : 125 : 0 : 224 : 1 (1 regen) : 123 : 1 (1 regen) : 322 : 0 : 221 : 0 : 320 : 0 : 119 : 0 : 1Tot : 26 : 22</pre>

So a total of 3 regens in a 26 man squad, 11 years into the game. Disgraceful.

retired_srflowers2002

Exactly, but would SI ever improve the regen like this??