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Old 10-16-2006, 03:47 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #421
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Ok I'm now firmly convinced. I was testing this with Liverpool in a 343 tactic.

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First notch of normal for width/normal tempo. My closing down instructions start with all out infront to 5 at the back. Timewasting 0. My goal was to make a possession centric tactic, never mind the number of goals scorerd, I wanna play knockaobut footy.

First 15 minutes I was on low DL. Very secure at the back, hardly anything made it past my backline. My mids who were barrowed, were very close to my dcs when in possession of the ball and provided very good support without.

Kept this up for the rest of the first half..made a few attempts at goal, one attempt ruled offside.

In the second half I pushed the DL up to max and scored 2 goals, both from open play. My mids were now leaving bigger gaps between the defense and themselves, so i went back to a low DL. We closed ranks.

The commentary at the end of the match indicated it was "an exceptional half from Liverpool"

There is a direct relationship between the DL and closing down. If you play with a high DL and you play a high closing down game you will be in trouble. You cannot do them both. If you want to play a high pressing game then your DL has to be normal or deep. This will allow your players to fall back into position when you lose the ball.

When you play with a high DL, the mids tend to make their tackles higher up the pitch (relative to ball and their own positon in the formation),. The goal of any tactic has to be just IRL to make the right players close down in the right areas of the pitch.

I hope someone else can verify this,
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:50 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #422
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To prevent CD's from moving out of position to early or too soon now, I look at my DLine. If my DL is too high compared to my closing down instructions, then I adjust one or the other accordingly. When I see my CDs roving around like headless warriors I know that the DL and Closing Down instructions are wrong.
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Old 10-16-2006, 03:52 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #423
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Interesting stuff rashidi1. I think it's now time for me to test out your points and throwing offside trap into the equation (logically I'd say high dl and high cd should work very well with an offside trap; we shall see wether offside traps are more successful in this version).
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:09 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #424
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Originally posted by Corned beef & cabbage:
Interesting stuff rashidi1. I think it's now time for me to test out your points and throwing offside trap into the equation (logically I'd say high dl and high cd should work very well with an offside trap; we shall see wether offside traps are more successful in this version).
So far I have not been able to make the offside trap work, but after what I found out bout CD and DL, your method could make it work. But, teamwork, pace, concentration would be vital for your defenders. I have just ignored offsides thus far...I seem to get more offsides without choosing the option, but if what you say is true. It could work beautifully.
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:31 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #425
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I've tried it out..the High DL/CD and offsides..my observations.

2 offsides caught, but more interestingly i was using a 343 and the number of crosses made against me were less in number and the completion rate was only 20%. I was playing against a 424 with two wide AMs, which would suggest that my formation would be under threat from the flanks.
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:37 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #426
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Interesting observation. I'll try and get some time later today to test it out properly.
I think I'll try both with everyone on highish cd and highish cd for everyone except my backline and see what the difference might be (in theory the latter will force the opposition to make hasty, poor passes while my three cd's will sit back slightly and deal with whatever comes through). We shall see...
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:38 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #427
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I forgot to add: In theory the latter will force the opposition to make hasty, poor passes/run into an offside position...
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:47 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #428
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Next thing I wanna raise is this

It used to be the case that playing a high CD against a defensive side could pay dividends, even against a superior side, cos that was how I played against Chelsea all the time. But is the same case now. I tend to think this may not be the case now. I believe that playing too high or too low could be counter productive. If you play too high, then you need to depend on your defensive prowess, to score off the break. If you play too deep then you need to depend on your midfield and offense to create the openings. So its time for some ol fashioned ying yang
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Old 10-16-2006, 04:49 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #429
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god my english is deteriorating.
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Old 10-16-2006, 05:11 PM   Football Manager 2007 T&T Discussion Post #430
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Ying and yang it is :thup:

I concur that extreme settings seems rather counter productive in this version- the (fine tuning of the)sliders seems to have a more notable effect.
Can't wait for the full game to be released (I suspect we will have a lot of fun)
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