retired_grace4557

hmm good post mulpetre... what are running lines btw?

i myself dl tactics and then tweak them slightly. Tried creating my own tactic but it's not very stable.

retired_elpata

Its amazing how people like you dont consider that alot of people dont have time to test and tweak tactics and just want to have a decent game without changing things every 2 minutes </BLOCKQUOTE>

No, your making assuptions I think like that. Most of my tactics I make, need the minilist of changes every now and again. I don't sit tweaking constantly, that would take the ****.
But the fact is, you DO HAVE to change things every now and again.


This is one of the main reasons why people struggle. They download a tactic and think they will get the same success as the creator. When in fact, there are lots of variables that people do not consider.

SO its always okay for people to say the game is crap, yet when the player is called crap its harsh? touche

Hmm ive not had a problem with any 442 and I know lots of casual gamers are having loads of success with this.

retired_larnsgr

Behave Cleon...what sort of a moderator calls people crap?

retired_littlejessefield

what is this ,

One tactic will never garantee a good campaign

you need to adapt to the playing style of different teams - one week to the next

little changes here and there with playing style and defensive line make all the difference. just putting all your faith in one tactic playing the same every week will not bring silverware

retired_medusa13680

This thread is once again highlighting the problem in many people's attitude to others who play the game. When someone comes on this forum saying they are having trouble the automatic response from many is to tell them that they are wrong, the game is amazing. Evidently it isn't if people are feeling the need to complain at how hard they're finding it.

People are still complaining about problems that are still evident in the game from the last itteration. Super Keeper, for example, players missing chance after chance after chance in one-on-ones, as another example. The response? Tell that person the problems don't exist.

Finally is the great line, to paraphrase: "it's only a small amount of people who are complaining." Firstly, these forums would appear to show that isn't the case - you don't have to look far to find someone having serious problems with the games. Secondly, remember the demographic bias with these forums: people who like the game will come here, people who don't like it are less likely. The results will be proportionally less complaints about the game than seen, say, on pure gaming forums.

To share with davehanson, some anecdotal evidence of my own of the unpopularity of the FM games with the series' apparent 'hardcore' fans: I've been part of a group playing SI games' football sims since the days of the Amiga. There was a circle of six of us, and we would gather at weekends to play. This continued through the versions incorporating network games, or travel to one of our houses to play for a weekend. FM'06 changed that, out of the six of us I was the only one to plug away at the game joylessly. The others played it for a few weeks, were staggered by how bad it was, shelved it and went back to playing older games. Now '07 is out, and, for the first time in a decade, not one of them has bought the game. They tried the demo, and loved some of the features, but the main problem is the match engine. FM lives and dies on its match engine, and the same errors, problems and deep flaws were as evident on the new game as the old.

None of these people post here, so that's five more complaints you wont hear, but rest assured they are there. I have no idea why SI decided to stop making games that were fun, I only wish they decide to start again.

Yours,

Disillusioned of Tunbridge Wells.

Mark86

"omg i cant win this is crap i hate it i wanna burn the disc and pee all over it"

Whinging, moaning people! If you cant do it, fine, just dont post here and complain!

If you wanna learn, pick a tactic for your side that is suited, then tweak the player instructions for each player. You only have to do this once! It doesnt take hours, it doesnt require "constant" tweaking at all.

If your side doesnt have any defensive midfielders, then do not try and play a holding midfielder. If your team doesn't have any lightning fast wingers, then there's no point having them trying to run with the ball!

retired_palmtreeb3

I think the game is challenging but in a good way.You have to build your tactics around your best team and sometimes that means starting from scratch and just tinkering away.I have had game now for just over a week and have played 3 1 season games (does that make sense).Anyway i went same team and just worked out best tactics and players for that team.Now i can challenge the AI and when i lose a game i just try harder to win next one.If a game was to easy it would end up in the bin after a week.Where as if the game is challenging then you wont give up until you get success

Littell_Sam

the match engine isnt crap, its a huge improvement over last year, and so far is the closest thing i've seen to real football

however, there are two things which are rendering the game almost unplayable right now

1. absolutely no settings seem to work when it comes to defensive set pieces. if you have found something that works, please enlighten us, but for now im conceding more than a goal a game from corners or indirect free kicks and its ****ing me off. and this has been going on for a good 4 months

2. changing the defensive line doesnt seem to have any effect on the actual defensive line. so its pretty much impossible to play with slowish defenders. sure, pace is a bonus, but liverpool have done well enough defensively irl without having pacy defenders, but jsut by playing deep. seems impossible on FM

these, i think arte the two glaring flaws in the match engine. there are a lot of good things abt it, but a few things that need to be fixed too imo.

retired_mcwlopez

by running lines i mean the yellow lines you can create when your looking at your formation screen. personally i generally stick with one tactic (usually 442) but i then adapt it for home matches and away matches just by tweaking. the 442 is perfect for adapting because it can be made into a diamond either by moving the players into a diamond formation or having them run into a diamond when you have the ball.its so flexible that you really dont need to switch tactics all the time. once you have a stable formation then all you need to do is tweat it according to opposition or whether playing home or away. if you start changing formations all the time then your asking for trouble, just like in real life.

retired_oyc79

hmmmmmmmm. After reading several posts such as rot and tactical theorems and trying new tweaks I have seen an improvement wih my West Ham side so thankyou to all those (WWE & Rashidi etc) who put the time in to give advice and guidance. Gone are the days of champ 95/6 of a killer tactic that beats all - even with Brighton & Hove! This game really does make you work hard for your win, and as a result, it's very satisfying when you do.

However, I do sympathise with some people in these forums who are beginning to feel alienated by the FM series and match engine. It isn't fun (to some) when you have to spend hours adjusting and tweaking... then succeeding...then failing...then tweaking and so on. Yes it's more realistic, and there is an undoubted argument for that, but there are some managers IRL who don't base their tactic on the opposition and only worry about how they play.

For people to say don't buy the game if you can't put the time in is not sensible Mulpeter. Not everyone wants to spend all their days playing computer games and tweaking this, that or the other. Yes I know FM is a simulation, and yes it has to be challenging but the balance needs to be right. Luckily I have used what I've read in these forums to aid my play - I think without them I would have been in mental care by now! I don't have a lot of time for games (my gf, job and hobbies won't allow for it) so when I do play it, most importantly I want to have FUN.

I'm not saying dumb down the game and am certainly not agreeing that the match engine is 'crap'. I agree with prome:

Perhaps in the future there may be a 'realism' slider or options to select/deselect principles of the game. Maybe then more people can enjoy the game without needing a masters in FM