retired_shahzadmasih

Well no one says that you need to change things every 2 minutes to be successful. Its that most people complaining expect success every season. it takes time to make a squad suited to a tactic and sucess to come. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah its just that the "its not the match engine thats crap its you" comment annoyed me thought it was harsh.

retired_liz culp

Its not "you" dats crap. There is something seriously wrong with Tactics in this game. Even if you try the most basic tactic 4-4-2, you still lose. And its not just in Germany either, this game is getting very annoying in terms of tactics. I too agree, I want a challenge but not something impossible. All I can say is I hope they fix it in the patch otherwise I'm looking for another game.

retired_lizards

Unless it's FM06. Nine consecutive Premiership titles with no change of tactic in all that time is a bit much even for Man Utd.

retired_omid

I've been playing he FM series since back on the good old Amiga days. I have to say that there has never been a series of games, and probably never will be, that have kept me hooked for so long.

The games over the years have been fantastic, and a lot of credit should go to SI for making and devloping the series.

But, and there had to be a but, I have found the last 2 versions, 06 and 07, to be quite difficult. It usually takes me around about a month to get used to how the game 'works'.

Im not too bothered by that, but there are new people coming to the series who havent a clue as to how the game works, why altering something with the tactics causes so much of a dramatic change. I believed that the instruction manual for 06 should have been a lot deeper and explained a lot more on, not just how the sliders work, but why.

To give you an example, 2 friends of mine at work bought FM06 and couldn't get on with the game. I only found out through conversation with them that they had the game about 3 or 4 months later. One of them didnt have an internet connection, and the other didnt know about these forums. So neither had any of the patch's that were avaliable. I tried to help them and encourage them to give the game a go, but they both siad that they were fed up with the game.

Now, I appreciated that's only 2 people, but if all new players pick up the game and have no idea what they are doing, even if they come on to these forum's and pick up some great advice from the tactical gods, Cleon you have already said that it takes quite a while to learn the game. A lot of people do not want to spend hours and hours tinkering around with tactics and instructions. They want to pick up the game set up a basc 4-4-2 or whatever, with a certain way of passing, tackling and shooting. ANd that's it for the tactic's. They want to spend the rest of the time doing things that they want to do with regards to football managemnt, primarly play games.

There are bugs within this version, I have found that I get far too many injury's, at one point, for which I always set my own regimes up, I think I had 9 plaeyrs injured out of a first team squad of 21! Thats just silly, and before you start saying 'well your training them too hard' or 'your tackling too hard during games', all my players are set to normal tackling (if you read the instruction manual Your players will go in for a fair percentage but not be reckless), and once 2 players got injured in training I toned my regimes down so they were almost on light.

So I think your statement that its not the match engine it's you, is very disrespectful. There are things wrong with the match engine, and yes the more experienced player can find a way around these problems, but just because we have found a system to compensate for these problems does not mean that they exisit.

retired_omid

retired_janellewood86

I have to admit that I've never noticed most of the problems people complain most about in either 06 or 07.

I've never had more than two people off in one game, and never more than six in a season. I very rarely get injuries during a match or in training that I've felt were excessive.

And, yes, I've come up against the "super keeper" but it happens very rarely. Usually I've noticed that my strikers are either a) playing really badly or b) the shots are coming in from easily savable positions.

Then again, I don't have unrealistic expectations of my team. Maybe I'm just a pessamist (hey, I'm a Walsall fan), but unless I take over Man United or Chelsea (which I don't) I don't expect to win the league and win every game. I actually expect to do what the board expectations say. Anything more is a bonus.

I agree it takes a lot of effort to get anywhere near decent at FM, and it takes even more to win consistently. But, if you want an easier game, manage Chelsea. The game's only hard if you expect too much.

Be honest - every team plays awfully at some point. And before you start, no, it isn't all the time unless you're picking out of form players or a poor tactic.

retired_grace4557

hmmm.... FM is definitely for me, the most realistic and enjoyable PC game ever. However, that's when you're winning. Personally, I think the game is really good. Maybe there are 1 or 2 flaws and bugs but they are easily over-lookable.

i wouldnt change the way FM is, but i guess that's because I have been playing since 01/02 and everything that happens in the game I look at it resonably and think that it MAY happen irl.

however, players that are just starting now may find the game just a tad too hard. I, myself only found this forum when i was fed-up with 06. Luckily for me, finding this forum meant that I could enjoy the game again. But what abt ppl who don't have internet connection?

I think that the default tactics should work better with big players as begginers tend to lean to using big teams like Man Utd & Chelsea etc.

I am usually bored with playing with big teams so I use OK teams like newcastle and portsmouth. with these teams, I'm perfectly fine with losing games now and then because that's how they are, average.

I think that FM, lately is only fully enjoyable to veterans and ppl who really look into the game and tweak and understand it. For ppl who buy the game just to pass time and maybe play 1-2 hours a day will find the game extremely frustrating and hard.

Just my 2 cents, sry for the long post.

dreamer

FM 2007 is much better for tacticvs than all previously, on FM 2005/06 you didn't need to bother with player instructions to do the treble 8 times in a row, now the game isn't so unrealistically easy, there isn't one position of the pitch that any player competent there will get a rating of 7.9+ (wingers on fm05 with attacking arrows stretched as far as they can, DM's in a diamond formation of 06). Tactics aren't impossibly difficult to master, but for oce you do need to change them depending on whether it's home or away, or what opposition you are facing.

retired_sanyusa1

If you check my post on a different thread, you will understand that this game has got flaws...

Check this. I played as Man Utd. Got full strength side out playing the untweaked standard 4-4-2 against Liverpool playing a strange 4-3-1-2 thingy...

6-0 down at half time... lost 9-0 overall. 1 shot for me... 23 for them. Van Der Sar plays a 10.

Still think the game engine works? I leave it to you.

retired_mcwlopez

The way i see it, is that you buy this game knowing that its going to be a challenge. It's supposed to be realistic and its supposed to take over your life for however long you choose to play it. What do you think the "lacks match practice" quote is for in the game information screen. If you dont have the time or the patience to try new things out and experiment then you solution if very simple..... dont buy the game in the first place until you have time to play it. you know how much time it needs to play the game so dont buy it and do crap and then cry about it not being easy enough.

I have played cm/fm manager since the 94/95 release and believe me i know that it can be frustrating when you just cant seem to win. When i first bought fm 2007 i couldnt win at all. i was middlesbrough who have a number of good players and i couldnt even score a goal. then i started a fresh and started to question each of the available "tweaking tactics". i looked at simple things like how does tempo affect passing? how does playing a target man affect your passing when you have great wingers etc who just seem to hoof the ball into the air to the target man and you loose posession? the answer is simple faster tempo means less accurate passing ie. direct and long. slower tempo= more accurate passing and short or low mixed passing. if your gettign hit over the top all the time with balls then think about it logically... ie. well if my defenders cant catch the striker its becasue they have had too many pies and are slow. also if there are loads of balls being played over the top then the person passing it isnt being closed down. its amazing how many goals you can stop just by cutting out the pass. another option if your defenders are slow is to either play offside or play deeper.people fail at this game becasue theydont think about things logically and ask... well why did that pass get over my defence.... simple!.. its becasue he was allowed to make the pass. if they have quick wingers... well what would you normally do against quick wingers? simple... you would close him down as soon as he got the ball and you wouldnt let him run! another example is fast as **** dribblers ie. ronaldo. simple... get your full back to close him down as soon as he gets the ball and dont allow him to cross it or run at your defence. Think logically about these tactics and you will have much greater success like i have. i started with my beloved middlesbrough and went from conceeding 2/3 goals agame and bottom of the table to joint 4th near the end of the season with the best defence in the league and the 3rd best attack. on average i concede about 1 goal every 4 games and i have beaten man u and arsenal 0-1 in the league away from home. instead of getting your nickers in a twist and crying about bugs and flawed tactics then just think about things and what the effect might or should be of what you are considering doing tactics wise. The game is NOT flawed or bugged because from personal experience i realised it was ME that was the problem and not the game. THERE IS NO PROBLEM WITH THE TACTICS. if there was then it would not be possible for me or many others to be doing reasonable well. the fact im doing better than some of the people in this forum is proof that its possible and not nearly as hard as you think it is to have relative success. be patient, stop blaming the tactics and break the tactics down and THINK about what your asking a player to do or what your not asking a player to do. start from the back. first goal is to stop conceeding goals.

oh and another thing... runinng lines are not even 5% of the overall tactic. i wouldnt even consider the running lines a tactic. if you have the team and indivual ones right then running lines arent even needed. so dont go pasting millions or running lines on every player possible becasue then it is more likely that when you loose the ball he will be out of position. basic lines are all that is need.