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Old 12-20-2006, 08:17 AM   Average them out (sliders) Post #11
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So as far as i can tell your taking some stats and dividing it out over 11 players, this would get you the avarage tactic. The reason its going to be avarage is because you will have some players who wont be pushed to the limits that their capable of, and then you will be making some players play within a limit they dont like. So all in all this is only going to be avarage at best. In my eyes
But on the other hand you have had some nice results, im currently 4th with york in my 1st season as well, adopting a tactic i used with the gunners, massive diffrence in style, and man yorks strikers suck but thats another storie.

could you give out a set of instructions, so i could test this out and see for myself, at the moment im not convinced.
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Old 12-20-2006, 11:40 AM   Average them out (sliders) Post #12
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I believe I have come up with the perfect tactic system, I say I believe as I have only played 3 seasons with it with 3 different clubs (York,Wolves +Chelsea) The most important thing about it is imo it ends the debate of player instructions over team instructions. For instance when I was with York I was an average side in the conference so I wanted to play a normal game menatality, so I put all my defenders, keeper and 1 MC on lowest slider of normal, 2 FC and 1 MC on the highest slider of normal and MR/ML on middle of normal slider I then added them all up and divided between 11(players) and set my team instruction on the average of all 11.
Ends what debate exactly? I'm confused as to what debate.

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Obviously now with Chelsea I need to be a bit more attacking as the opposition are playing far more attacking,
No you got that the wrong way around, most teams should and will line up against Chelsea as a defensive unit. The only time they shouldn't line up defensive against you, if if you finished midtable the season before. When sides line up against you, matching them attacking is not always a good idea, if you played more normal you'd have better success from my experinces.

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I have 3 tactics in place defensive, normal and attacking and play them according to my opposition. What is great with this system is that your team plays as a whole unit as they are all on the same mentality and the players all know what they are supposed to be doing (att etc).
Which makes sense and is what we all know already.

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I play a 442 with all of these tactics but I cannot see why this system would not work with any reasonable formation, as long as you put player instructions in properly i.e forward runs etc.
And formation at all can work with any team aslong as you have the right sort of players needed and get the instructions right. When I say the right players, I don't mean worldclass either I just mean players who play in the correct positions needed to make the formation work.

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I want to change the 2 FC and 1 MC to lowest slider of attacking on the the normal mentality as the manual suggests u can have 2/3 players playing out of the team mentality,
No you read the manual wrong, the bit about 2/3 players if for creative freedom and not mentality.

You can change all 11 players individual mentalies if you wanted too, but once you change the individual mentalities of players you then begin to upset the balance of the tactic. Because individual mentalies work different from the team one, and act as a positional and agressive tool unlike the team one which tells the team how attacking etc to play.

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For now I suggest you just try the mentality instructions and you will see what I mean about playing as a unit.
Everybody should already know this, I've not read anything in this topic that cannot be found eslewhere in more detail too.

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Surely passing styles and creative freedom should be adopted for each player even if he is a CB
Not imo, you should set the passing how you want the team to play and not the individual. Keep it simple and keep everything as balanced as possible. This way you play more as a unit as the isntructions you use are universal.

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For example if my CB has passing of 19 I would put him on slider 2
Id never have a CB playing 1 touch football, no matter what his passing stat was. Maybe if he had 18+ decisions etc aswell. however its still too risky and not a good idea for defenders.

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and if he has 15 for creative freedom I would put him on slider 15 for CF
A lot of people think that the creative freedom rating of a player is what they should use for his creative freedom setting, but its not.

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GK kicking 10 slider 10
RB passing 19 slider 2
LB passing 18 slider 3
CB passing 17 slider 4
CB passing 16 slider 5
MR passing 15 slider 6
ML passing 14 slider 7
MC passing 18 slider 3
MC passing 20 slider 1
FC passing 15 slider 6
FC passing 18 slider 3
Thats all fair and well, but you need to realise its not that simple. You have to take into account how you play as a team or want to play as a team. Id be very intersted in seeing stats from game where you used these settings as I can see a lot of problems arise from this. I'm not saying it doesn;t work, however stats would be good as we can see how effective it really has been for you then. Any chance of any?

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so my sliders would add to 50 divide that by 11
Meh why even turn it into a maths calculations. Its not, all you need to do is look for a combination of stats and not try turning it into a maths project.

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yeah i agree with that also. making the team instructions around your individual players. the manual also states u should have more that 3-4(i think) players with high creative freedom, so if you have all players with high cf this sorta throws a spanner in the woodworks, also creative freedom has other aspects to it, eg decisions and something else. so an average there would be needed also. once you start giving players hi creative freedom acrross the board, then u original tactic becomes sorta obsolete. think real madrid galacticos.
Yes because CF overrides what you told a player to do, hes allowed to use his own football brain instead.
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Old 12-20-2006, 01:56 PM   Average them out (sliders) Post #13
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cleon, would you say that closing down also generally needs to be a more universal setting as well as mentality and passing?
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cleon, would you say that closing down also generally needs to be a more universal setting as well as mentality and passing?
No, because then you would get people chasing the same player for the same balls and this creates big gaps at times.
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Old 12-20-2006, 03:51 PM   Average them out (sliders) Post #15
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ah right, so maybe a 2-3 notch gap between say a middle partnership?
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ah right, so maybe a 2-3 notch gap between say a middle partnership?
Thats what I tend to do yes, 2 is normally enough
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Old 12-20-2006, 10:14 PM   Average them out (sliders) Post #17
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cheers mate :thup:
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