retired_jon2508

I had concerns about Vista before recently purchasing a new PC, but FM2008 works brilliantly on it.

retired_breakbred101

Vista ofc

NewbyNaz

thanks guys. i asked in this forum because i specifically want to know how it effects FM.

ive gone for the bog-standard Vista 32 as i have heard that there are a few compatibility issues with Vista 64 and certain games applications. teething probs until SP1 i guess. it sounds like MS are going to launch another O/S in 2009/2010 anyway. perhaps they have realised they have dropped one in the same way that windows 2000 was quickly replaced with XP...


still, the good responses you guys have provided have helped put my mind at rest. hopefully all will be well. a dual core penryn T9300 2.5ghz shoudl be enough to cope with FM and 20-30 divisions i reckon

retired_grammyrae

Well actually, I don't know any compatibility issues with 64 Vista, everything works really well, and for the 32bit gaming... As long as u have decent processor u really don't see any difference in games. I just did 3D mark test on both 32bit XP and 64bit Vista, the difference was 15 points less in vista, u do the math
U will eventually have to upgrade to vista, and since 64bit Vista is already working 200x better than 64bit XP, I would go with the 64bit, the os will work faster than 32bit would...

retired_svand67

1) XP doesn't actually need 4GB because it's not as insanely resource hungry as Vista.

2) Unless you actually want to do something other than play FM, in which case stick with 32 bit which is much more compatible. The 64-bit speed increase is negligable for all the hassle it gives.

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Vista ships with a lot of background services running, just turn them all off and it soon peps up. Google for 'tweak vista' there's some excellent guides. (not aimed at you specifically^)

The '64 bit speed increase' thing. There isn't one. First of all, vista 64 emulates 32 bit apps and it has know memory addressing issues with that. See recent articles of Anand and Toms for more technical info.

Also, since FM is a 32 bit application, running it on a 64 bit OS would make absolutely no difference. It would still be run in 32 bit mode and slowed down by the emu element of Vista 64.

I used Vista Ultimate briefly. It lasted 2 hrs before I ditched it for XP Pro SP3.

Reasons?

1. Fonts look awful, with no option to disable the clear type/true type engine.

2. Its got horrible file copy problems, still.

3. Its ugly as sin. Aero looks like KDE 2 did in 2001. Chunky, nasty and pointless.

4. Its got loads of bugs still. See the changelog for the SP1 RC.

5. Its not 'more secure' or indeed 'faster' that XP Pro Sp3. That makes it redundant.

6. There are no DX 10 games currently that benefit from the Vista experience.

7. Its over priced. Not that I'd pay for it.

8. It still has a nasty log-off shutdown bug that means you have to reset your PC everytime you want it off.

9. DRM. I'm not even going there ..

10. Vista is such a pig Microsoft aren't even going to pretend they aren't already working on its replacement to ship fall 2009. Presumably that will be Vista Final Edition i.e the one that works.

Oh and one other thing. If you are technical at all, you will have followed the devolution of Vista as it got rushed to completion. No new filesystem etc etc etc. All gutted and stripped.

There really is no reason to move from XP Pro Sp3 to Vista and I suspect there won't be a reason to buy Vista, since its going to be deprecated within 2 years.

leanwitit

[QUOTE]Originally posted by GoDi:
Vista is the way to go, actually a must, since u have 4gb ram in that hardware, xp can't even use 4gb.
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This is a limitation of 32bit operating systems in that they can only address 32 bits of memory e.g. 3gb of RAM would be fine

Current problem with Vista is that it seems to have an unstable kernel. The Vista diagnostic is not good and some crashes may be as a result of hardware or out of date drivers but it wont tell you.

Like anything new, don't buy it until its gone through at least 1 revision (much like a brand new car)

I currently prefer XP Pro...horses and courses I guess but I find the current XP edition more stable

retired_plasal

Which is the number one reason I went back to XP. I could live with the sound volume issue. I could live with the bloated sack of protoplasm it is.

But taking 20 minutes to copy a small selection of files, and what felt like a week to copy a DVDs worth of data, just isn't worth it.

retired_manola

I 2nd that. The time it takes to copy files not good with vista and this is with SP1 aswell. This issue is still not fixed.

retired_g_stull

I use Vista and play FM all the time, never had any problem at all.

retired_romeshj1

Vista will be fine.
I currently have both XP32 and Vista 32 installed.
Yes, Vista uses more ram. When idling XP takes up about 15% of my ram (4gig of PC8500), where as Vista uses around 32%. It doesn't cause any issues though even when 1 have tried it with just 2gig of ram.
You can reduce the ram usage, I am running the Dreamscene backgrounds (these are moving background wallpapers - very nice but they use cpu and ram constantly).

If I shut down all of the background applications and run some benchmarks on both XP and Vista, Vista is slower.
You referred in your opening post to Vista being vastly slower, it isn't. All the benchmarks I have run are slower, but only marginally. I would say on my machine that Vista is only a few percent slower. Nothing to worry about.

Lots of people will tell you about all sorts of driver issues on Vista. A year ago I would have been one of them. It was hell getting everything to work smoothly. I got sick to death of Vista and shoved it back the draw until a couple of months ago. Gladly (and suprisingly) when I tried it again, I found no more problems installing everything on Vista than I do on XP.

As for FM08, this works fine for me on Vista. I can't tell the difference.

SP3 for XP is an improvement, I'm running the Beta currently, but I haven't noticed any difference to FM. The only visible thing I have noticed is that programs open quicker.

SP1 for Vista will be out shortly. From what I can tell, this doesn't seem to make difference at all. I think it is just background stuff / security issues that it fixes.

Your choice of laptop will certainly play FM08 perfectly well with several leagues open.

On the whole I still use XP for gaming, but I love the look and feel of Vista. I'm not ready to give up XP yet, but I would be happy to go with Vista now as a single only operating system if I had to.