retired_skullking1971

Now i'm not going to start by saying this game is bugged because although it really does seem like it is i don't think it is.
All the 'bugs' so to speak can be overcome with the correct tactical knowledge. But my problem and many other people if these forums are anything to go by, is that i'm not a tactical genius.
Should the tactical level be set like this in order to satisfy the challenge?
Without any doubt some of you will say YES. But lets consider it.
As Bill Shankley once said: "Football is an easy game made complicated by those who should no better". That quote could not have sumed up this thread any better.
I think SI from a tactical genius point of view have probably got this game nigh spot on. But they've also made it like a game of chess. Now chess is a thinking mans game and certainly not for the masses. But FM sells by the masses so a lot of people arn't able to figure it out.
Yes people like wwfan put a lot of effort into being informative and helping people but because FM is so complex you need to be able to think as he does as you go along, hence the game of chess.
So what is the answer?
I guess SI must listen and act. I'm not saying go back to the days of one tactic suits all, but this needs to be addressed. They have to bring the game back to the masses because if they don't do that in 3 or 4 years there won't be a game. People had their fingers burnt with 06, and now with 07. Loyality comes at a price.

Before i go and before Cleon closses this thread, i'll give another quote, but this time from the Holy Bible!

""We have been treated like sheep for slaughter, and yet in spite of all, overwhelming victory is ours."

Keep the faith and rembember overwhelming victory will be ours - the masses will rise again!!!

retired_liz culp

I agree. No tactics seem to work and whatever you say to players seems to have the opposite effect. In RL some players (Ronaldinho, Lampard, Zidane) would never be told what to do tactically they would just go out and produce the goods. That is impossible in this version of the game. All this need to tweek and change aspects of the game everytime is plain annoying and will make many people go and look elsewhere. If people really care so much about tactics then do a coaching course somewhere or go down th epub and chat to someone there, there's always someone willing to listen.

retired_provrb7

That made me laugh quite hard. So you think they are just told "go and play" and that's it? Must be having a laugh. Fair enough Ronaldinho and Zidane might have been told to play a free role but obviously they are told how to defend and before matches most managers do identify where to attack and where to defend. But in all honesty do you think Mourinho, of all managers, let's them do what they want? Nope. That's the whole thing, his philosophy is built on tactical preperation.

I'm sorry if you don't like it but I think the level it is now is satisfying and if you put effort into it you'll think so too.

retired_palmtreeb3

Ok without sounding annoying and all that stuff.I think SI have got this gane right FM06 was to easy could use same tactic for full season home and away got boring.Now im not saying this version is for everybody as if your a 12-16yr old then this game will beat you.This game suits me as you have to think to win not just pick 1 tactic and win win win.

retired_barbiej

Lets face it most people including my self are not tactical geniuses, but there comes a point where you can blame the game for losing.

To archive success one needs to to take a look at the team and ask the following questions. Do these players fit into my formation? Are they capable of playing this system i.e. short passing and tempo?

While this process is long the success that comes makes it soo much sweeter.For example my latest save Leicester. In my first season i finished 16th in the table due to poor management on my part. I had no wingers yet i played a standard 442 with spare fullbacks acting as wingers, this produces very inconsistent results to say the least. Towards the end of the season i adopted a 4132 formation as i had strong mc's and results seemed to improve slightly consistency wise.

Now with 17 games played in my second season i find myself second a point behind the leaders, but what i did was improved the squad got couple of forwards that could play as wide men and changed formation to an 4-1-2-2-1.

I feel that most of todays FM community wants instant success and aren't prepared to manage their teams.

rgoodwin13

You say that, but I'm with andysafc on this one; I've played all the footie games that SI have put out, and to be frank, sometimes I'd like to have that "win win win" feeling.

Perhaps in the next CM, sorry FM, we should have a 'difficulty' choice, with your assistant being increasingly more helpful, depending on the the difficulty level.

retired_skullking1971

I'm not saying one tactic should suit all but one tactic can suit a team. Cardiff are top of the Championship and i don't see them changing every 8 games. Reading did it last year. If you have a tactic that works for your team why alter it? The main problem is caused by re-ranking. I don't believe that Reading last year or Cardiff this time changed there winning formula because teams show them some respect. If you have something that works then you stick at it. If you do this in FM 07 you'll fail.

SinfulHedgehog

That would be a welcome addition.

retired_palmtreeb3

We are not saying change your formation keep same formation.Change team instructions and player instruction.The teams you mentioned did they play the same passing game week in wek out or did they change to suit the game.

retired_liz culp

Most teams never change tactics. Chelsea dont change, Arsenal dont change even Barcelona or Milan dont change and THEY win. Its a little silly to expect people to be spend time tactisising when all we want to do is play the game. This is starting to remind me of other games who spent time getting you to address the price of hot dogs and merchandise.