jmm19114

Averaging about 2 goals a game from corners (both for and against) which is obviously way too many. And I am not the only one, have seen comments in various threads and also a thread about it in the GPTG where Vidic is scoring well over a game for some guy, all from corners.

Is this a bug? Surely it cant be realistic. I have begun to dread every time the highlights come on with the AI having a corner!

retired_heniferlopi

I think they fixed the near post flick ons, and stopped every other corner being a foul and this is the result...

clearls

To be fair there are loads of goals from corners in real life.

retired_jacxson

I think Kirk Broadfoot is going for the golden shoe in my new season with Rangers.

Seriously though, I'm glad that there are more goals from corners. Gets you thinking more about your individual tactics from corners.

retired_ktwahl

My centre half came on as a sub in the 55th min and promptly scored a hat trick of headers frm corners.

leftfoot

I haven't played the patch so I don't know if there is a single routine that is allowing this to happen. If it is a single routine repeated every time (like the near post flick on in 07 or the lurking long shot in 06) then yes it is a flaw in the match engine.

But if it is realism you are after then you do have the option to not exploit this flaw.

If it were repeatedly successful against the same teams because of deficiencies in those teams thus making it reflective of a real life team lacking in a manager capable of organising defensively for set pieces or lacking in the players with the abilities to deal with that routine, then I would accept it as realistic. But if works repeatedly against every team independent of those two factors then it is an unrealistic flaw in the engine.

Basically it comes down to your FM philosophy:-

1. Treat it as a game where I want to win and flaws are there to be exploited => use the corner routine that bags you 20+ goals a season

2. Treat it as a simulation thus consciously set up tactics so as not to exploit flaws that do not reflect ones which are explainable in real life terms => don't use the corner routine that bags you 20+ goals a season

I'm not saying the same philosophy can be applied to realistic implementations that appear to create difficulties in the match engine (Targetmen in FM 07, lone strikers and AMCs in pre patch FM 08). In this thread the issue is corners and in my opinion if you decide not to exploit the flaws you probably would get more realistic statistics. Of course the foundations of your FM ethics will get tested whenever the AI happens to score from the same exploit. Whether or not you retaliate is up to you

Hai_2_U

The only problem with saying either exploit it or not, it's your choice on how you want to play the game is that if you're one of those that wants the simulation so choose not to exploit the flaw, your style of management or philosophy of the game may be so that the way you want your players to act when you have a corner is the way the flaw is exploited.
Not sure if I've explained this very clearly, but I hope you all understand what I mean!!!

retired_diamond_hope

i would say the oposite, i have noticed so many chances from corners and i mean GREAT chances, its unreleastic....back to 8.0.1 for me

leftfoot

I understand this totally and when it comes to overall tactics that's a fair point.

But when it comes to corners people who use the flaws (I'm not accusing or insulting anyone, play the game how you want to play it) will do so repeatedly. So they'll use the same corner routine everytime because they know it's exploitable and increases the probability of them scoring.

Fair enough if you have a 6'5" monster who can leap like a salmon and head with bullet like accuracy, then in real life if you used a strategy of pinging every corner in his direction then the chances are he probably would score alot of goals. Replicating that in the game I don't view as an exploit.

But if the AI manager has a guy who can compete with your best header in the air, but because of lack of learning capability he fails to assign him to mark your corner scoring machine despite the fact he's already gotten 14 goals this season from corners, then this in my opinion is an unrealistic scenario. Or if the coding of the game makes the probability of scoring from a particular routine far higher than it is in real life, then using that routine every time you have a corner is exploiting the flaw.

No real life manager would use the same corner routine over and over again as the chances of it resulting in a goal over and over again is unlikely. It is one of the major difficulties in simulating sports in that it is difficult to get the AI to evolve and adapt. In real life a manager scouts the next opposition and studies their set piece routines in preparation to limit the effectiveness of them if possible. Based on my experience of playing FM I don't believe AI managers are currently capable of doing this.

retired_teanerra

with my AC Milan team i had Andrea Barzagli who scored 10 goals in a season for me once . i think all of his goals came from corners because i used to send them to the near post and i put him at the near post and because his rating is something like 20 for heading he managed to header the ball most of the time