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Originally posted by Harper:
It all depends on the player. I've got Christian Zapata on my team (Arsenal) and either Barcelona or Real Madrid approached submitted a bid worth his value, around £11.25m. I upped the price to £20m and they came back with that. I still declined as Zapata, but the point is, you can sell players for more than they are worth.
Take a look at who you are bidding for. You're after marquee players in their prime. Your best bet is to try to unsettle the players enough that the club has to sell that (player interaction and bid after bid) You can find replacement that are good enough. And it is more than just the attributes on the screen.
Bid on younger players with promise. If they don't pan out, it was better to spend £5m on a him than £20m+ on a player that might be good, but also has an equal shot of not fitting into your team.
Offer contracts to players on expiring deals. Easily the best way to upgrade your squad if it is the right year. At the beginning of each season, look for players with expiring deals and state your interest. Come January, offer them deals and keep offering until they sign with someone.
The selling part isn't a prolem. I have had 10m bids for Foster who's calued 3.5m The problem for me is that the other clubs seem to get players a lot cheaper than me.
When frey goes for 15m to Milan but is rejected when I offer 35m. That is just something I do not understand....
It seems clubs are more inclined to sell players to Arsenal, ManCity, Liverpool, Tottenham, Pompey, Milan, Inter, Juve, Barca, Real, well most clubs in fact than ManUtd.
I mean, the cheapest I could get Ochoa, who's valued 1.2 was 15m. And that deal got canceled without explination (which is a cool, but frustrating feature)
And ackter, I understand that, but instead of repeating that phrase all the time, how about you give us an alternative sollution eh?
02-17-2008, 06:29 PM
How come the computer only bids what a player is 'worth', whilst as a human player I have to bid approximately 6 times more?? Post #32
I don't know what the alternative solution would be - but it's important to addresss the human vs AI aspect as a lot of people love to think that they're being cheated.
02-17-2008, 06:31 PM
How come the computer only bids what a player is 'worth', whilst as a human player I have to bid approximately 6 times more?? Post #33
I realise it feels that way, but it's important to remember that you're not being cheated.
The only way to get this issue seen to is to have save games from just before both bids are put in - that way SI can run the save game through their machines and see exactly why the bids are being accepted/rejected.
02-17-2008, 07:08 PM
How come the computer only bids what a player is 'worth', whilst as a human player I have to bid approximately 6 times more?? Post #35
Originally posted by Ackter:
I realise it feels that way, but it's important to remember that you're not being cheated.
The only way to get this issue seen to is to have save games from just before both bids are put in - that way SI can run the save game through their machines and see exactly why the bids are being accepted/rejected.
i've often wondered about this thing about sending games in just before bids have been put in.
because when ive seen two bids put in i save and reload the previous save and the bids dont get put in.
it's the same when i kept saying that my ass. man keeps telling me that i should sell steven gerrard.
i get told to send the save in just before the message appears (someone enquiring about him) but when i reload the game the team dont enquire.
so how can you gurantee that it would happen the second time?
02-17-2008, 07:16 PM
How come the computer only bids what a player is 'worth', whilst as a human player I have to bid approximately 6 times more?? Post #36
Originally posted by Ackter:
1. you can't see the total of what AI teams are offering so you don't know exactly how much they are
2. manager and club relationships can be deal breakers in this.
3. the values an AI manager will accept for a player are the same (except for instances of 2.).
They'll want 30m for example, then depending on things like manager and club relationships (are you friendly with them? are you in the same league? are you in direct competition? etc) the number will change.
There's problems with how AI value players imo, but they don't favour AI teams just because they're AI teams.
Ackter: I agree there is no 'AI hates humans' agenda, but you are experienced in playing this game and you must know that there is something really wrong with the transfer system. Players do move between AI clubs much more cheaply than when dealing with the human player. I do accept that there will be instances where a club will just set the price very high if they do not want to sell him to a rival club, etc, but in the situations where this is not an issue, there is still a huge gulf in the signings of the AI to the signings of the human player. This is something that we've all put up with because it's been around for a few years now - but that doesn't make it right.
There was an excellent thread about this recently "Critique of the transfer system" which detailed this issue so I'm hoping someone at SI takes notice of its content before FM09 comes out.
02-17-2008, 07:28 PM
How come the computer only bids what a player is 'worth', whilst as a human player I have to bid approximately 6 times more?? Post #38
I had to spend more than 130m dollars for Kaka and Silva...Also when I tried to buy Aguero ATM asked me for about 300M dollars. Next year some team offer ATM about 73M, so I offered 74M and got aguero. I dont think this is fair!
02-17-2008, 07:32 PM
How come the computer only bids what a player is 'worth', whilst as a human player I have to bid approximately 6 times more?? Post #39
Say you were playing as Arsenal and you were after Ronaldo from Man Utd. Chelsea put in a bid of say £40 million which was accepted. There could be a button which says match bid. This way you know that you are bidding the same amount, plus clauses etc.
The response from the selling club could be that they accept it, or that although they realsie it is the same bid, they will reject it for various reasons, ie rival club, bad relationship etc.
I see the problem here as two fold. 1, we as human players don't sometimes know the exact offer an AI managed team has made, it will sometimes say 5m + clauses (those clauses could be anything), and 2, there is still not enough feedback as to the reasons our, seemingly same, transfer offers are rejected.
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