[retired_browneyes_58]

Patronising ****. I'll take a guess that you've never heard the phrase "They treat us like mushrooms, keep us in the dark and feed us ********"?

[retired_volo]

Originally posted by Seagulls Forever:
Patronising ****. I'll take a guess that you've never heard the phrase "They treat us like mushrooms, keep us in the dark and feed us ********"?

Yup, we used to use it all the time in the Forces. Is was used when we were told to jump on a helicopter but not know where we were going to be dropped off or other similar situation.

[retired_morren]

this has become pathetic, no need for people to insult each other really.

SI released a game which even with the bugs is cleary the best management game, they release pathes for it when they are perfectly withing thier rights not to and they also respond when people get bitter on start raving on a forum, again when they dont have to

if you dont like it don't buy the game, i'm sure there will still plenty of people who buy FM09

[Dav1d]

if you dont like it don't buy the game, i'm sure there will still plenty of people who buy FM09

I hope SI think that way too There are ALOT of people unhappy with the game and if everyone who wasn't enjoying it, SI would lose, alot.

SI released a game which even with the bugs is cleary the best management game

So that makes it ok not to fix things? No, it doesn't. I think FM08 is a great game but the confidence is starting to kill it for me. I'm annoyed that Si haven't even tweaked it. I've bought every FM since it's release but Fm09 is the first that I won't be buying. If everyone did the same, SI wouldn't last very long.

BTW I'm not a moaner, I've been very patient with SI and stuck up for them alot in this forum but this issue really has annoyed me.

[Dav1d]

I hope SI think that way too There are ALOT of people unhappy with the game and if everyone who wasn't enjoying it didn't buy FM09, SI would lose, alot.

Damn it.

[retired_leannesherman]

From my point of view (I know its of limited worth ) on the sidelines having not bought FM08 (some things I just didnt like in the demo and decided to stick with a working 07) it does look as though this is a valid bug/error that SI would have looked into. So, if some of the people complaining about it (beyond the normal moaners there are regulars here saying the same thing) are thought to be wrong by SI - what will happen?

Nothing? This isnt meant to be offensive SI, but how many people do you have internally testing the game and are they all experienced/managed by an experienced test team? Just wondering.

Because the same people on this forum bring up issues very quickly after using patches. There is nothing worse than having the feeling of 'will this game hold-up' when starting a long-term save.

I dont want to have to edit a data error and be wary of 'work arounds' to a patch released a few days ago for a game that came out a while back. It would be interesting to hear from the test team whom I'm sure would have a number of suggestions for improving the test plan going forward.

Maybe its just the release schedule pressure, I dunno. I'm here, you are there :

[retired_halfshell69]

Originally posted by Miles Jacobson:
Seagulls Forever - I think I've been very clear in my 2 posts on the subject above. I haven't seen the problem personally in the games I have been playing. If others are, we need examples to have a look at, in the form of saved games.

Any chance of a comment here Miles?

I truly fail to see how you require a save game as according to Dave C the vast majority of my points were brought up in testing, meaning that either:

A/ you are calling Dave C a liar and are pleading ignorance.

B/ you are fully aware of the problems and have done little to remedy them.

If there has been some misunderstanding, and you ARE not aware of the limitations with board confidence, then i sincerly appologise. However asking for save games is not really needed as within any normal season the limitations of this feature are quicky made apparent.

NB: asking for save games before and after may be the reason you get so few people responding to your requests - i only keep a single current save.

If you want an example of the board claiming a player is an aberation despite having an average rating of 7.75 then i have that save to upload - just tell me how to upload it. Sorry if my posts come across as bad natured, i would quite gladly do anything to make this game better, and i applaud your efforts so far, i just think you've overlooked an important area.

[retired_leannesherman]

Just read that thread and the initial post - kudos to putting in the effort to write it all Ched :thup:

there is a C/ Miles isnt best placed to comment on the testing issues.

Where is the QA Manager? I have a sneaky suspicion that he/she would admit board confidence is wonky. It may not be a bug (as its functioning as intended) but its been hastily designed and implemented

[retired_halfshell69]

Originally posted by T4RG4:
Just read that thread and the initial post - kudos to putting in the effort to write it all Ched :thup:

there is a C/ Miles isnt best placed to comment on the testing issues.

Where is the QA Manager? I have a sneaky suspicion that he/she would admit board confidence is wonky. It may not be a bug (as its functioning as intended) but its been hastily designed and implemented

Fair point, i concede that C could be the correct response, and if this is the case then i will again offer my appologies to miles.

I'd hope that if the answer was C then he wouldn't come on here telling people there isn't a problem though....

[retired_dalcar]

Ched - we need saved games to see the issues. Dave is not an inhouse tester, he's out of house.

I've just looked in our "bugs database" to see if there are any unresolved confidence issues like those described in the threads, with saved games, and there aren't.

Like you say, we need saved games before, and after. If you're seeing the problems, and you have the hard drive space, set it to incrememntal saves, and that would give us the saved games that we need.

All examples are good - if you can post in the bugs forum, one of the QA team will tell you how to upload saved games. Thanks for your offer of help.

T4RG4 - before release, we have 30 odd in house, with an experienced QA manager, and 2 leads on the PC SKU, along with around the same number at Sega, and a bunch of offsite testers.