rytm2323

You missed Portsmouth 7-4 Reading off that list.

retired_dchago

You missed Portsmouth 7-4 Reading off that list. </BLOCKQUOTE>

As well as Liverpool 6-0 Derby, Arsenal 5-0 Derby (sorry Derby fans), as well as the countless games in which United scored 4 goals.

retired_ehoff15

yea how dreaful. i played one game so far and it finish 0-0 draw as well. it must be a bug because it happen to both of us.

Sort it out SI

retired_steph0688

It's true. Its not rocket science, it's brain surgery.

Anyways,

Stats are important because they can help to remove individual bias. Intended or not. For example it's simple psychology that we pay more attention to matters that affect us than those which don't. In FM terms you are more likely to notice high results with your team, but not the results of other teams. You get an unrepresentative view.

Stats are the way forward if anyone really wants to prove their case here. If there are too many goals then the experiment would find that out. If there weren't significantly more goals then it would find that also.

What I've noticed with my strikers isn't more goals but the fact the goals they score are more realistic. They seem more likely to round the keeper or bend a shot than blast it straight at them.

retired_ehoff15

why do people think they possess superior intelligence and righteousness above all when they compare a handful of games spread out over 20+ rounds to the high scoring that is happening in every round in fm08? </BLOCKQUOTE>

erm.... because that's exactly what the moaners does as well.

retired_marcias

There are two separate issues here though too. One is how many goals are being scored in general by AI teams with no human interference, the other is goals scored in games that do involve human input. The latter is far more difficult to analyse because it depends on human tactics - some people play wild tactics scoring and conceding lots anyway, some people are bad managers and just plain concede a lot, others spend hours trying to find super-tactics to "beat the match engine" rather than actually use a football tactic. Results from the last group should be totally discounted because there will almost always be ways to abuse flaws in the match engine to score boat loads of goals.

My team have scored a fair number of goals post-patch too, but then I am in a new season and my team has gelled better than last season and we had started to score a decent number at the end of last season anyway so it's not conclusive. And like I said at the top, being unstatistical - 29 goals from 1 matchday (5 games) pre-patch, 6 goals from 1 matchday (5 games)...not evidence, just anecdotal like everything else.

deantibbetts

So before the patch there were too few goals, now there are too many goals. Can someone explain what the ideal amount of goals is so that SI can incorporate it in future games.

As for "facts" waynef, you were moaning about them rushing the patch, there is an obvious comparison between this moan and people who moaned before hand, even if you didn't.

There ya go facts sorted and my point remains.

PS. If you have seen a lot of people complaing about the amount of goals, as you stated earlier, why feel the need to open a new thread. Yawn.

retired_doug_j

ya there is some high scoring games irl but its not every week is it. like in this new patch.

dont get me wrong i love the game im just voicing my opinion theres no harm in doing that and i aint giving SI any criticism

retired_jcuff01

i wouldn't say they rushed it. they just have a few mistakes. the easy ones to fix are obv defoe transfer, fernebache/galatasary and elano/alves (and other players) superman stats.

i think 802 is rly good because more emphasis is now on player stats and not many teams are unbeatable. however, the flipside to this is that i believe si have to make sure 99% of players stats follow the trend they've set. hopefully they'll fix. it shouldn't take long at all since there aren't many players to edit down.

finally, there is the confidence system. its flawed, yes. i think a temporary fix like scaling down every clubs expectations (if thats possible) would be successful. obv. we can't expect them to rework the system now with FM2009 due out in some months, so a temporary fix to stop successful managers getting fired would definitley suffice.

retired_doug_j

im saying that in my opinion SI rushed the patch due to the amount of high scoring games theres no moaning in that what so ever
for me before the patch the highscoring games didnt come often but with this patch it does iv never moaned about SI doing there job right or wrong and i never will.

your fact still remains in the gutter