4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB...

retired_halfshell69 · 02-15-2008, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Themistofelis:
Why don't you put him an arrow to move right?

The truth is that 4-2-3-1 was a killer tactic for the game . I don't think that in reality it is a successful tactic. Lone strikers usually move to the flanks to take long passes and "brake" the ball to players coming from behind .
As i understand one of the CBs follow your player on the side while you play with 3 AMCs behind? and you complain? :p

the CB doesn't follow my striker.
My striker just stayed left - it was daft.
If the CB had followed him into the centre i would have applauded it.

retired_vtooker · 02-15-2008, 05:44 PM

Glad to hear that you've got it working Ched. :thup:

So he's giving the CB's a lot of grief?

Is one of them following him?

Is he splitting the defence for the AMC to take advantage of?

Cheers.

retired_grasshoppa · 02-15-2008, 05:47 PM

I believe they fixed marking with 1 striker upfront and pressing. This will make playing 1 upfront less fruitful than it was before (overpowered).

Plus remember, in real life even if you play in the middle you're going to veer to a favourite side slightly. It's not viable to expect a striker to stay dead inbetween two defenders, I like how it is now.. slightly more realistic.

Using arrows is a good way to dictate how your player behaves, I like using FLC arrowed to FRC (or vice-versa) is the easiest way to get your player in the middle of the two defenders when the ball is played.

retired_jcuff01 · 02-15-2008, 05:50 PM

I'm so glad they fixed this.

I can't believe people complain because the game is made some what more difficult as opposed to it not getting rid of baltantly the most broken and flawed tactic.

Why don't teams IRL play 4-5-1 much unless they have an utterly super-amazing striker? Seriously. =/

retired_morren · 02-15-2008, 05:55 PM

ive always had right footed strikers go left and left footed go right, just so they can play on thier stronger foot,

retired_wendibarber · 02-15-2008, 06:01 PM

I've noticed the same before 8.0.2

Try reducing the forward runs for your AMC.

retired_w0lfpack1 · 02-15-2008, 06:15 PM

Ched, can you re-post this over in T&TT, if you haven't? They'll want to know.

retired_roshawnda82 · 02-15-2008, 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by Ched:
Fixed!

I'll describe what i did for the curious.

- First, i left my forward in the FC position but reduced creative freedom.
- no change, forward still stayed left.

- Next, i gave my forward a free role, as suggeted above.
- no change

- Next, i S-arrowed my forward from FC to FR.
- No change

- Next, i moved my forward to the FR position.
- Forward stayed right.

- next, i S-arrowed forward from FR to FC.
- Forward stayed right.

- Finally, i s-arrowed forward from FR to FL.
- Woooo! forward stayed inbetween the two CBs. Minor movement left and right (realistic) and took advantage of space well. Goal ration improved to 1.5 goals per game, and without any tweaks, my AMC has stopped pratting around and now plays through the centre, moving left or right into space made by my forward - exactly what i wanted to happen!

Firstly, i must say i am happy that my team are now playing as i want them to. But i still can't help feeling that the ME is making things difficult for us for no apparent reason.

I don't think it is unreasonable to hope that if you place your forward in the FC position, you want him to play in the FC position. Why SI made it so i needed to mess around so much in order to get something that was fairly simple is beyond me.

Is this really working for you? I just tried it and it worked half the time. I think it most probably nerfs the AI marking....

Although I have to say I don't think that a target man staying to one side like that is too unrealistic, he's probably trying to pull the defense apart and creat space for others.

retired_krissyski · 02-15-2008, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Aaron_AO:
I'm so glad they fixed this.

I can't believe people complain because the game is made some what more difficult as opposed to it not getting rid of baltantly the most broken and flawed tactic.

Why don't teams IRL play 4-5-1 much unless they have an utterly super-amazing striker? Seriously. =/

If you mean, why don't they play a true 4-5-1, it's probably because of a lack of scoring chances, as well as inviting opposing backs to push up. If you mean the 4-3-3, it tends to leave too much space in the midfield, making it difficult to defend. In order to counter these two problems, you would need wingers with lots of speed and stamina.

retired_alma33 · 02-15-2008, 10:16 PM

now really
that was a wreid solution
shouldnt be happening this way IMO and should be looked ar more seriously

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