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Old 02-15-2008, 03:49 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #11
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Originally posted by mallen102000:
I've gott a 4-5-2 working, my Barce side sit top of la liga unbeaten at half way stage and going well in all other competitions, we don't score many but have a defence that keeps so many clean sheets most games I only need one goal to win

It's definanttly possible to do
Seems to be some confusion here:

1/ i am winning fairly frequently
2/ i don't expect bags of goals
3/ what i want is my forward to behave as a lone froward would IRL

other players would get up to support him, unfortunately due to the fact he wants to fondle the right sided CB he gets tackled before they can get there....


My main issue is that rather than fix something properly, SI appear to have just messed up the movement of lone forwards (i say appear, as it is entirely possible that i am mistaken - i would like nothing more than someone from SI to come on here and tell me i'm daft and how to solve it, it just doesn't seem to be tactics related).
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Old 02-15-2008, 03:58 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #12
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my lone striker have all individual sliders set to rarely but trought balls, wich is mixed(i want him to put my AMCs on front of goal).

His mentality is 2 ticks more than my AMCs, and creativity freedom is set to 6. I dont have target man set on my normal tactic(only on my counter and attacking ones) but in all he keep his position without problem...
Maybe they have CF or Forward Runs too high??
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:00 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #13
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my lone striker have all individual sliders set to rarely but trought balls, wich is mixed(i want him to put my AMCs on front of goal).

His mentality is 2 ticks more than my AMCs, and creativity freedom is set to 6. I dont have target man set on my normal tactic(only on my counter and attacking ones) but in all he keep his position without problem...
Maybe they have CF or Forward Runs too high??
Right, i'm off to try this, i'll be back later with a humble appology if it is just my tactics.
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Old 02-15-2008, 04:01 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #14
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I've got some advice for you -

Consider giving your lone striker a "free role", that way he'll feel less held back by tactics and run wherever he wants upfront.

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Old 02-15-2008, 04:14 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #15
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Why don't you put him an arrow to move right?

The truth is that 4-2-3-1 was a killer tactic for the game . I don't think that in reality it is a successful tactic. Lone strikers usually move to the flanks to take long passes and "brake" the ball to players coming from behind .
As i understand one of the CBs follow your player on the side while you play with 3 AMCs behind? and you complain? :p
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:03 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #16
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i have to add another thing, my CF usually have the PPM "plays with back to goal"
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:11 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #17
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Originally posted by mallen102000:
I've gott a 4-5-2 working, my Barce side sit top of la liga unbeaten at half way stage and going well in all other competitions, we don't score many but have a defence that keeps so many clean sheets most games I only need one goal to win

It's definanttly possible to do
I thought having 12 players on the park was cheating
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:23 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #18
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Why don't you put him an arrow to move right?

The truth is that 4-2-3-1 was a killer tactic for the game . I don't think that in reality it is a successful tactic. Lone strikers usually move to the flanks to take long passes and "brake" the ball to players coming from behind .
As i understand one of the CBs follow your player on the side while you play with 3 AMCs behind? and you complain? :p
many top european sides play like this. arguably man utd do
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:27 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #19
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Fixed!

I'll describe what i did for the curious.

- First, i left my forward in the FC position but reduced creative freedom.
- no change, forward still stayed left.

- Next, i gave my forward a free role, as suggeted above.
- no change

- Next, i S-arrowed my forward from FC to FR.
- No change

- Next, i moved my forward to the FR position.
- Forward stayed right.

- next, i S-arrowed forward from FR to FC.
- Forward stayed right.

- Finally, i s-arrowed forward from FR to FL.
- Woooo! forward stayed inbetween the two CBs. Minor movement left and right (realistic) and took advantage of space well. Goal ration improved to 1.5 goals per game, and without any tweaks, my AMC has stopped pratting around and now plays through the centre, moving left or right into space made by my forward - exactly what i wanted to happen!

Firstly, i must say i am happy that my team are now playing as i want them to. But i still can't help feeling that the ME is making things difficult for us for no apparent reason.

I don't think it is unreasonable to hope that if you place your forward in the FC position, you want him to play in the FC position. Why SI made it so i needed to mess around so much in order to get something that was fairly simple is beyond me.
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Old 02-15-2008, 05:27 PM   4-5-1 no longer works - rather than fix defending, SI decided it would be realistic to make a lone forward merely follow the right sided CB... Post #20
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A single striker will function properly if he and his team mates are given the correct instructions.

He and his supporting AM's will not now be scoring gods which the defence can't ever cope with.

That's as it should be and Paul C should be congratulated on getting the "fix" just right in this case.
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