Luck - does it play too big a part in tactic success?

retired_victor1961 · 11-09-2006, 09:51 PM

but in this case the human manager was using the same tactics, and still getting vastly differing results. is this still due to poor tactics?

retired_elpata · 11-09-2006, 09:56 PM

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Originally posted by borivoje213:
but in this case the human manager was using the same tactics, and still getting vastly differing results. is this still due to poor tactics?

Yes thats why I said his tactic wasn't consistent. If you have a solid tactic, the results would be simliar except for the odd freak result due to the random factors. Well thats what I think anyways

retired_victor1961 · 11-09-2006, 09:59 PM

no i meant on the occasions where he was using the same tactic, team, and team talk but getting radically different results mate. read top post from "in FM07" onwards.

retired_elpata · 11-09-2006, 10:01 PM

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Originally posted by borivoje213:
no i meant on the occasions where he was using the same tactic, team, and team talk but getting radically different results mate. read top post from "in FM07" onwards.

I answered you

He got them results because his tactic is inconsitent imo and not because of random factors.

retired_victor1961 · 11-09-2006, 10:10 PM

maybe, there aren't that many tactics that are consistent though.

retired_elpata · 11-09-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by borivoje213:
maybe, there aren't that many tactics that are consistent though.

Theres plenty

wikichua · 11-09-2006, 10:26 PM

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No i don't. if you play chelsea vs torquay 10 times over chelsea will win 9 of those games and draw maybe 1 too. this would likely happen without much difference apart from the odd freak result. chelsea might pummel them 15-0 on one occasion and only 1-0 on another but i'd still expect to see chelsea dominate near enough every single game. If football was completely random bookmakers would be able to reliably produce odds. we're talking likelyhoods here. no one is saying a match should be predetermined, but odds should be able to be stacked up in your own favour or else theres no point. the argument is simply that the balance between luck and likelyhood are slightly more heavly leant towards luck rather than the choice we make. Im not saying that point is right. i think ur just slightly missing the meaning of it.

and just to re-itorate, yes if chelsea and barcelona played each other i'd expect a different game every time, because BOTH clubs are using their own benefits to the max with such a slight differene whereby both luck/misfortune and individual brilliance/diabolical mistakes could and would prove deadly on the day.

And in FM its not the same?
Chelsea woudlnt win 9 of 10 games against torquay and wouldnt dominate every single game?
and it doesn't matter in which tactic you play.

wikichua · 11-09-2006, 10:38 PM

usually people who consistently lose, rely on "luck". Imo there isnt such a thing "luck". Its something that people invent when they didnt understand something and they didnt find a reason or a logical answer.

Here in israel there is a saying: "The luck goes with the good(better..)"

sorry about the double but the "edit" function doesnt seems to work

retired_curt2850 · 11-09-2006, 10:42 PM

What a manager says in the media should have very little effect on how a team performs!

retired_daprez · 11-09-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally posted by Lincoln Imp2:
In a scientific experiment these would be called the control factors...

Sorry but i studies chemistry in college for 2 years and a 'control' in an experiment is for example if you have three test tubes with a leaf in, add acid to one, iodine to another and add nothing but water to the 3rd, the 3rd is the control as it shows what happens when nothing is done.

As Rashidi1 explains about random effects, weather and such, you will find it impossible to have a control as the ref or weather etc will change from match to match, even if your replaying the same game something beyond your control will be different, not to mention the players consistancy......

Luck - does it play too big a part in tactic success?

It's no use having a squad full of star players without a decent way for them to play their football.

Luck - does it play too big a part in tactic success?