retired_mbranham

Greetings all,

I was wondering If I may get some advice from the numerous experts on here.

The Problem

I have created a tactic which is working well for me in my first season my Boca side have won the title and the copa sudamericana, I was beaten by Milan in the club championship 1-0 after giving a very decent outing (though the fans were unhappy we lost, 1-0 against milan come on), The thing is my strikers Palacio especially keep shooting straight at the keeper or blazing wide/over, now I know this is a problem many people are having, and I'm not trying to complain because i'd rather have chances then not, but, is there any way AT ALL to make my striker or any advanced player square the ball instead of shooting? I have tried cross from byline and fiddled with CF etc but they seem to want to shoot from daft angles when its so easy to square it for a tap in. This really grinds my gears when its 0-0 or 1-1 or when I'm losing.

The closest I ever see, is when my opponent is through on goal shoots, misses but the ball conveniently lands at one of their players feet for a tap in against the run of play.

Any thoughts?

retired_erwin8

Honestly, no. The only thing that can help is a new patch. And I sure hope it will, because FM2k8 is seriously flawed a few months after release :x

retired_gwenlyn

The two key attributes that come into play here are composure and decisions. Composure will help him to score more, whereas "decisions" will help him to make the right decision (for example hold the ball up or square it for someone else). I believe from memory that Palacio has quite high "decisions" but not very high composure and hence one of the main reasons you find this with him.

You can either train him particularly hard in decisions and composure, or offload him in favour of someone else.

Remember that there is no such thing as a great striker (or player in the game), just one that is best suited for your tactics - which he doesn't seem to be.

retired_mbranham

Its not just him or this tactic, it seems to be rather frequent, surely it doesn't take that high decisions to realise that its easier to pass then shoot to get a goal.

I mean I never even see the AI square it for a goal.

retired_roshawnda82

I agree,and Palacio also had poor finishing too.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement in this particular situation. Whilst it's possible (if you knew the tactics lawd was playing) to identify potential flaws and conflicting instructions and indeed how certain players are not suited (i.e. not good at doing what they've been told to do) to his tactic.

However, in this instance, you don't know what tactics/player instructions lawd is using, to say:

is you attempting to make the wild assertion that a given player doesn't suit a tactic that you know nothing about, instead of saying...

lawd:

(1) What type of overall system are you playing? Are you playing a system that is going to get the most out of Palacio? i.e. one which allows him either to work the flanks and dribble and pass/cross or allows him to drop deep, receive the ball TO FEET and then run at the defense, causing gaps and then playing a killer pass? This would be ideal as he has sick attributes for pace, acceleration, technique, dribbling, crossing, off the ball and decisions.

Don't play a system that allows Palacio to run onto through balls centrally for a one on one or else you might find that he squanders too many chances. Its best to use him as I've outlined above and also probably with a striker partner who has either high finishing, composure and decisions or is decent in the air.

and

(2) Its a known issue that will hopefully be fixed with the 8.02 patch, although as mentioned above, Palacios stats don't help (in that he has the stats to get into brilliant positions but doesn't have the stats to hit the onion bag)

Hope that helps.

retired_roshawnda82

(3) Do you having Palacio on cross rarely? Try setting him at least to cross mixed, and if you're playing him with a strike partner, tell Palacio to cross center and hopefully the strike partner should get some tap-ins.

retired_mbranham

I play a 4-3-1-2 system with wide arrows for the strikers Palacio gets in great positions so he should do well.

I have crossing set at mixed, you think often would be better?

retired_gwenlyn

I agree,and Palacio also had poor finishing too.

I wholeheartedly disagree with this statement in this particular situation. Whilst it's possible (if you knew the tactics lawd was playing) to identify potential flaws and conflicting instructions and indeed how certain players are not suited (i.e. not good at doing what they've been told to do) to his tactic.

However, in this instance, you don't know what tactics/player instructions lawd is using, to say:

is you attempting to make the wild assertion that a given player doesn't suit a tactic that you know nothing about, instead of saying...

lawd:

(1) What type of overall system are you playing? Are you playing a system that is going to get the most out of Palacio? i.e. one which allows him either to work the flanks and dribble and pass/cross or allows him to drop deep, receive the ball TO FEET and then run at the defense, causing gaps and then playing a killer pass? This would be ideal as he has sick attributes for pace, acceleration, technique, dribbling, crossing, off the ball and decisions.

Don't play a system that allows Palacio to run onto through balls centrally for a one on one or else you might find that he squanders too many chances. Its best to use him as I've outlined above and also probably with a striker partner who has either high finishing, composure and decisions or is decent in the air.

and

(2) Its a known issue that will hopefully be fixed with the 8.02 patch, although as mentioned above, Palacios stats don't help (in that he has the stats to get into brilliant positions but doesn't have the stats to hit the onion bag)

Hope that helps. </BLOCKQUOTE>

Law_Man:

Firstly, his striker isn't suiting his tactics. This is clear from his statement so I don't understand what you meant.

Also, it is not right to say that this will be fixed in the patch. There will be some tweaking but no major overhaul that will suddenly have him score 3,4 or 5+ goals a game if he wasn't already doing this before the patch.

I think it is wrong to have people believe that their tactics are right and that the engine is wrong. If they have a tactic that doesn't work for their players before the patch, it will be the same afterwards also. Equally though, if someone has a good tactic before the patch, it will be even better afterwards.

I maybe misunderstood you. Did I?

retired_erwin8

Some 8.0 tactics suddenly stopped working after patching, so I'm not sure about that last statement.

retired_mbranham

Rodrigo Palacio has 11 gls this season.
Martin Palermo 16.
Juan Roman Riquelme 16.
Lucas Biglia 5.

I have won the title and the Copa Sudamericana.

So to say my tactics are wrong is incorrect.

My point was that my players get into great positions to square the ball so often (probably down to my tactics) that it infuriates me to see them shoot straight at the keeper.

My Milan save was the same I won the treble twice using a 4-3-3 tactic with to advanced wingers who had crossing set to often , Rosina and Di Natale would still shoot when Amauri was open for a tap in.

I on average am creating around 15-20 chances a match, getting players into great positions but as I say when I'm losing or drawing I don't understand why players don't square it.

IRL I think allot of players would rather guarantee a goal then look for the spectacular heroic individual effort. I doubt mesas Ferguson or Wenger would say well Ronaldo doesn't have a high decision total or Hleb prefers to shoot when Adabeyor is open.