retired_gwenlyn

Lawd: I'm not saying your tactics are wrong at all. I'm just saying that one (or some) of your players isn't responding well to your instructions for him. The engine is not perfect either and well all know that, but there are things you could be doing to reduce this. The reason I know this is that I spent time myself making sure I got the right players with the right instructions to reduce this happening in my team.

Sliders (mentality, creative freedom, tempo) and attributes (decisions, finishing, composure, etc) both work hand in hand to help the engine decide what to do. There is no magic behind this and it works very simply.

Don't expect much 'intelligence' to be shown by the team under these circumstances. Despite this being the case in real life, it does not work quite right yet in the game so think about what you can change to improve things. I (and others) am happy to help if you post more about the tactics and individual instructions you are using.

retired_roshawnda82

You must be able to read something into:

that I just can't. As far as I can see (and I'm sure lawd can correct me if I'm wrong), he's saying:

(1) (2) He wants to know if there is Where from that you can see that Palacio isn't suited to his tactic I'm really not sure. Unless you're saying that any striker who won't be prolific in front of goal (due to low composure and finishing) won't be suited to any tactic? It seems to me that this is the corollary of your claim that the player isn't suited to the tactic, without any information about the tactic.

I can only say what I've seen in other threads, and that is that every effort has been made to make "logical" tactics much more effective, at the expense of "illogical" ones. Thus, if a player has technique, passing, creativity, crossing, and decisions like Palacio, he might actually square the ball.

I think you've misunderstood me and lawd.

Where from:
do you get that lawd's tactic isn't working very well?

It's just that Palacio (due to his low finishing and composure and the odd match engine issue) wastes too many chances.

I beg to differ. Again, from what I've seen written about the patch by those in the know, a lot of tactics that seem to work on the 8.01 patch do so "illogically". This post by wwfan is a good example of what I mean:

So in fact, if lawd's tactic works pre-8.02 patch and it is fairly "illogical", then there's a good chance it won't work as well after the 8.02 patch. If lawd's tactic is logically sound, then it should work much better after the 8.02 patch.

retired_gwenlyn

Law_man: Have you been drinking? again?

Read carefully this time what I am writing (and have already written) ...........

There is nothing wrong with his tactic

There is nothing wrong with his player

BUT

His tactical instructions don't work for this player so he either changes the player or the instructions he gives him.

I don't think I can be clearer than that.

As for what wwfan wrote ...

I already said in this thread that there are problems with the engine, but nothing that will fix the OP's problem - other than some tweaking of the engine that will reduce the issue very slightly.

And finally, your last statement ..... isn't that just what I said?

Oh sod this, I need a drink too now. Maybe I'll come back after a bottle of wine and see if I can understand you then.

retired_mbranham

It might also be worth pointing out that Palacio has a avg rating of 7.5.

Maybe I just want to much from something thats after all a game.

But having watched so much football, and playing champ man, and FM over the years it is starting to get annoying, when I can see what I want to happen and it doesn't, saying that I'd imagine that every body who has ever played FM or champ Man has the same experience.

I'll get to something totally none tactical now, is anyone else finding it difficult to score DIRECTLY from free kicks, I have Riquelme and he never scores from a free kick and his stats are frankly fb.

And does it sound harsh that my fans were 'disappointed ' at my side for losing to an excellent Milan side 1-0 I am Boca after all.

retired_roshawnda82

And now you're back-tracking and completely contradicting yourself. Why don't you just admit you got it a bit wrong, it's hardly the end of the world is it?

It seems that the opening poster read the same plain English as me and felt the need to write:

In fact, you did imply that his tactic wasn't working, and you explicitly said that Palacio wasn't suited to his tactic:

All this despite actually not being given any information about his tactic, and in contrast to what lawd actually said:

Tut tut.

You don't know what his tactical instructions are! LOL. As the fact that you can't just admit you are wrong and are now horrendously contradicting your previous statements and the fact that he had to reply to you to help you understand the points he was making, is taking up all of his thread.

Clear as mud....

This is pure speculation on your part.

No.

You said:

and

Whereas, I said:

and

So you say:

bad tactic before patch 8.02 equals bad tactic after patch 8.02.

good tactic before patch 8.02 equals good/better tactic after patch 8.02.

I say:

logical tactic before patch equals potentially bad tactic before 8.02 patch and more likely to be a good/better tactic after 8.02 patch.

illogical tactic before patch 8.02 equals potentially good tactic but more likely to be a bad tactic after 8.02 patch.

We live in hope

retired_roshawnda82

That's fairly harsh but I don't think there's anything wrong with that at all. Even though with their "sensible and objective" heads on I'm sure the fans would realise that Milan are a far superior side, but the trouble is, fans don't go to football matches and pay out lots of money and spend lots of time watching them with their sensible and objective heads on. They do it with their die-hard, ultra-partizan, passionate heads on, and rightly so. And from my limited knowledge of South American football, Boca fans are particularly "passionate".

retired_roshawnda82

ps lawd, what did you think of the suggestions I made above?

retired_mbranham

Yeah I suppose your right especially about the Boca fans.

I hope free kicks are fixed like, I mean a player with Riquelme's talent should score a fair few, Free kicks 20, long shots 20, technique 19/20.

Corners work brilliantly Palermo is always banging them in.

Would it be fair to say that the match engine WANTS to show us chances and the reason so many of us are annoyed is because the ME shows us amazing chances like a plethora of 1 on 1's instead of say a brilliant block by a cd?

retired_mbranham

Law-Man,

The idea of switching Palacio to target men and to have him receive to feet is a very good one amd one I well definitely put in, as you say he is Hermes quick and his dribbling and crossing are very good.

How can I make him come deep though? He is doing very well at getting on the end of through balls played to the left wing, he burns most defenders ( though for some bizarre reason on the odd occasion an average one with pace 14 accl12 will outrun him) its like I say though he is almost on the by line and he shoots.

He is doing well on assists he has 10 I think.

long shots are another problem I set long shots to rare on every one but riquelme, his stats are mint, and they still shoot from miles out, but I think thats because the ME wants to push the shot stats up to coincide with a real match.

retired_FaultyFate

Hey, I think you focus on what patch can fix without really knowing how exactly it's going to be fixed. So let's leave it aside.

Imo there are three real possibilities why the problem described occures.

First, it could be that player's instructions make him to do so. Say it's high tempo game, he has very attacking mentality and asked cross rarely - you got the problem. The solution is to tweak the instructions to the neutral (mixed) and then alter them one by one. It may take a while though, but if you could post his instructions and team instructions maybe we could spot something out.

Second, player's instructions are ok but they won't work for Palacio. Easy to check - put another ST in his position and see if he does the same things. Don't look at how he performs overall, just whether he also always shoots instead of pass. Btw, check Palacio contract - if he has a high goal bonus, that might be a problem. I tend not to have that bonus high as it causes players to try to score rather than play as team (theory, but reasonable). Try to lower it but maybe increase base wage or appearance fee.

Finally, it could be that there is some sort of bug (like one when a player with corresponding PPM shoots from distance all the time). Something like a combination of several stats (composure, decision, concentration, whatever) makes ST miss one-on-ones or never pass ball if he has opportunity to shoot, etc. The only solution is to have a tactic when those opportunities are rather rare

And this is absolutely wrong. There are quite a few players that will score with any reasonable tactic - simply because they have what it takes. The thing is that a good tactic may make an average player perform much better than one would expect.