Creating Effective Tactics - One possible approach

retired_sanyusa1 · 10-25-2006, 10:08 AM

Rashidi speaks too much sense. Sureley he speaks common sense, and common is something we all know anyways. All he is doing is stating the obvious and... let's face it... some of us need it stating to us because we try ridiculous tactics to get the perfect formulae.

Time to ditch the crazy and concentrate on the simple. A 1-0 win is a win nonetheless..... AHHH who am I kidding I just love watching a good thrashing, but sadly it's me who is on the end of it most of the time.

retired_virginialaitano · 10-25-2006, 05:12 PM

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Originally posted by wwfan:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by horseman_Plague:
Brilliant topic

and now for something completely different:

have any of you been able to get you're dc's to join in on the midfield play. Like the dutch style having a defender join in or a attack drop back to create a numerical superiority on the midfield?

anyways thanks for the post

FRs and high CF for the sweeper? Any thoughts, Rash? I've never tried it myself, but it could work for home formations?? </BLOCKQUOTE>

its meant for a 433 so 2 fullbacks and 2 dc's. Where its needed a defender slides in not just the fullbacks but the dc's also.

retired_kellyk · 10-26-2006, 03:05 AM

Hmm I don't know, personally speaking i don't think it'll work to give a numerical superiority..the best I've seen is a DC driving forward into a box, and I think one of the MCs actually dropped behind him too.

shortnes · 10-26-2006, 09:37 AM

rashidi1, i must admit that your thoughts on closing down are brilliant. i have been using 442 formation with darrows MC->AMC and MC->DMC. tactics is quite solid thanks to wwfan RoT mentality system, but despite offensively looking i had some problems scoring. later in the season i had also a real problem facing 442 with long farrows on the wings in away games. i was clearly loosing possesion and was outnumbered on the wings. high closing down for FBs, FCs and slight lowering of FB mentality did the trick. interestingly enough it also led to more offensive opportunities. almost forgot to mention, i manage Hitchin in conference south, that in itself is an indicator.

retired_corellian · 10-26-2006, 10:11 AM

rashidi

you suggested to play with d- line something about 8. but what with away games?( higher d-line?) And what about forward runs to my fulbacks? Home- often, away--mixed? i will be glad to your opinion. Sorry for english

retired_monica90 · 10-26-2006, 10:18 AM

Having re-read your post, I really think you're right regarding the importance of closing down in this game.

Great stuff. :thup:

retired_kellyk · 10-26-2006, 10:25 AM

@fq

According to the Manual, the D-line reflects the position your defenders take up on the pitch. However based on my experience in 07,whether you set it on 1 or 20, the backline is still in the same position.

The manual also states that normal settings set the Dline in relation to the position of the ball. Now since the D-Line obviously doesn't seem to have such a huge positional impact and because it seems to be tempered by mentality then it follows that the best thing to do is to let the engine decide where your defenders should be. Setting it to the lowest level of normal appears to be the best so far. That is my opinion of course but having used that logic extensively for LLM I find that its the most useful approach.

If you are a weak side and passing is not your best suit, then go narrow especially away from home and play short. This way you reduce passing distances which should encourage accuracy, reducing the tempo will also encourage you to keep possession of the ball.

Setting FWR on FBs for away matches is ok, depending on your formation of course and how closing down is set. Its perfectly ok to have fullbacks cross from deep. The more crosses in your game the more times you get your ball in dangerous positions. I like to hold on to the ball as much as possible away/home to dictate the pace of the game. How good your fullbacks and Mids are at crossing should determine your crossing frequency imho.

retired_monica90 · 10-26-2006, 10:28 AM

Sorry but one question- when you discuss "high closing down" in a global context do you mean high within "own half" settings (or "normal")?

"How high or low you want to go depends on how much you use the slider"

I take it you mean between 6 and 14 here roughly?

retired_mgavlick · 10-26-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally posted by Mighty Red:
Great advice from WWfan + rashidi, managed to get through my first season as Liverpool averaging just over 2 goals a game and 0.4 goals against. Not massively impressive, but was pleased with the defensive soundness given i'm playing 3 at the back.

Into my 2nd season, you do see the effects of the re-ranking - would add that whilst I agree with the two masters of tactics re: playmakers and target men, I have used Crouch as a TM to great advantage when against poor jumpers in really defensive set-ups. Playing with 3 up front, I can move him out to play against the fullbacks where there is often a mis-match. I would stress that I only do this for 1/2 hour at a time as the oppo will pick this up.

Also, to reinforce - dropping the d-line is the single most useful thing I've done to counter a defensive system. However, I have struggled against the 4-4-1-1 for some reason. The defensive 4-4-2, 4-1-4-1 and 4-2-2-2 are not really issues anymore.

From TT&F but I thought it would be beneficial to the d-line discussions in this thread.

retired_kellyk · 10-26-2006, 10:50 AM

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Originally posted by Asmodeus:
Sorry but one question- when you discuss "high closing down" in a global context do you mean high within "own half" settings (or "normal")?

"How high or low you want to go depends on how much you use the slider"

I take it you mean between 6 and 14 here roughly?

When I mention "global" it means one setting. I would set it high within normal.

Your slider apathy

Creating Effective Tactics - One possible approach

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Creating Effective Tactics - One possible approach