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Old 02-11-2008, 11:13 AM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #21
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Minimal_Fuss:

i put it too you that you should worry less about tactics and far more about teamtalks, disaplin, and moral.
Completely agree. I've used exactly the same tactic for 13 seasons with Gateshead. The only tweaking I ever do mid-game is to switch between to my away version of the same tactic or vice versa. </BLOCKQUOTE>

it's completely insane that such a fake feature like team talk can have so big influence on player's sucsess. just use the right team talk and your tactics don't metter. you can use those defoult tactics (which are ridicoulus in my opinoum) as long as you pick right team talk, which is easy, all you have to do is look at Diaby's or Wolfsong's thread.

I just hope that's not true....
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Old 02-11-2008, 11:53 AM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #22
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by zeuS0r:
just use standard 442 or 442 diamond without ANY player instructions. it'll work!
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if that's true then the game is totaly flawed... </BLOCKQUOTE>

i also dont find the need to change tactics, though not quite to the same extreme. normally i create a tactic, tweak it for 3-4 games and the stick with it without alteration for an entire season. i may make make minor adjustments based on players ability -eg if i have to pick a player with low dribbling skills i will remove run with ball.

i have had an undefeated season with west ham, where i also won the league, fa and champions cup, using this 1 tactic -no adjustment approach.
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Old 02-11-2008, 11:58 AM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #23
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by chopper99:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Minimal_Fuss:

i put it too you that you should worry less about tactics and far more about teamtalks, disaplin, and moral.
Completely agree. I've used exactly the same tactic for 13 seasons with Gateshead. The only tweaking I ever do mid-game is to switch between to my away version of the same tactic or vice versa. </BLOCKQUOTE>

it's completely insane that such a fake feature like team talk can have so big influence on player's sucsess. just use the right team talk and your tactics don't metter. you can use those defoult tactics (which are ridicoulus in my opinoum) as long as you pick right team talk, which is easy, all you have to do is look at Diaby's or Wolfsong's thread.

I just hope that's not true.... </BLOCKQUOTE>

I personally don't think that team talks and moral are all you need. I might have used the same tactic for a long time now but it did take me nearly 2 seasons to get it working. Now that I have I'm just making the point that I don't have to keep tweaking to have success if I don't want to.

But at the same time moral is very important. However, good moral will not make a poor tactic excellent in the same way that poor moral will not make an excellent tactic completely useless. It is however very important to keep the team moral high if you're to have any hope of keeping a good run of form.
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Old 02-11-2008, 11:58 AM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #24
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Im not sure anyone on the forum will be able to answer the question fully, as we are not real football managers. Even though FM makes you think you are

I have noticed though that in real life, managers have t change their tactics to play against better teams.

Take Man City at the weekend, they seemed to play 4-5-1. It might have been 5-4-1. But my point is that Sven changed his tactic to beat Man Utd and ti seemed to work.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:02 PM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #25
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i should add, i think squad management is one of the most important aspects. keep players happy, play in-form players, and carefully rotate the squad (change only a few players each game), that stops your players suffering from fatigue as the season progresses.
i find intelligent use of substitutions to be a more effective way to alter a game than tactical adjustments.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:15 PM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #26
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in every match IRE there are plenty of tweaking. it doesn't have to be complete change of style a team is playing. closing down, d line, width these are all instruments that need to be changed during a match in every level of football. especially closing down. if you need to score you'll also need to press and push a litle bit forward. it can depend on team quality and ambition in that match. that's basics or even less then that.

other problem is that if FM can't reflect that in it's match engine. even though I think thing go better. so all this posts like "I have 1 tactic and I don't tweak" are serious threat to this game's reallity.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:38 PM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #27
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i find pushing up, increasing the pace of the game and paying more attacking football tend to have a negative effect on your chances of scoring. the team just seems to panic more and make more mistakes.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:41 PM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #28
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i find pushing up, increasing the pace of the game and paying more attacking football tend to have a negative effect on your chances of scoring. the team just seems to panic more and make more mistakes.
??? another example of how flawed match engine realy is
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:42 PM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #29
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For me the crux of this issue isnt that teamtalks,morale or tactics are too important, its that player ability seems to be the lesss important than those three.

Also to add to the trinity- choice of captain can have a massive effect too, so much in fact that I find that if my captain is having a stinker then we will lose fullstop, unless I take him off or teamtalk him into improving.

Ive also had poor runs of form coincide with my regular captain being out and my vice not being up to it, choose a new captain and my form picks up.

All of these things should be important but so much that player ability is less so.
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Old 02-11-2008, 12:43 PM   Managing in FM requires way too much tactical tweaking in comparison to real life........ Post #30
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i find pushing up, increasing the pace of the game and paying more attacking football tend to have a negative effect on your chances of scoring. the team just seems to panic more and make more mistakes.
isn't that a style (fast, attacking...) of most sucsesfull teams IRE, arsenal, man u, real....?!

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