Mentality discussion - what it actually does in both a team and an individual sense

retired_dolly67601 · 11-16-2006, 07:36 PM

Sorry, I meant that I didn't say they worked in tandom, as I do believe they override

pat555 · 11-16-2006, 08:02 PM

Hi all,

I was wondering if you would all be willing to contribute the discussion here into an article for my website?

If you are interested please contact me via my profile, rather than me spam you all with mail

retired_dolly67601 · 11-16-2006, 08:06 PM

what article is it?

retired_tony_92_loz · 11-16-2006, 08:15 PM

In my opinion I feel that Team mentality does act as a base for the team and will affect the way players play even if you have the whole team on individual...

pat555 · 11-17-2006, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Noel Gallagher:
what article is it?

The article has not been written yet. To give you a quick pitch, basically I have setup a wikipedia for FM (www.fmwiki.com) the idea is alot of excellent information regarding the game is on these forums (as well as others) but forums are a very poor way of hosting guides/articles about specific topics.

What I am hoping is once a particular topic has had a weight of discussion (like this one) someone would be willing to collate all that information (in this case I would prefer it if one of the original contributors did this rather than me lifting it

) and post it on the wiki.

Also the beauty of such a system allows the original article to be discussed via the article's own discussion page plus still be updated by multiple contributors.

If you were interested you can easily start an article by visiting http://www.fmwiki.com/fmwiki/index.php/Mentality
or http://www.fmwiki.com/fmwiki/index.p...rticlegoeshere

retired_dolly67601 · 11-17-2006, 01:50 PM

No, you don't really see a positional change. What you will notice is that the more attacking player is more eager to get the ball up field as opposed to the defensive player

retired_dolly67601 · 11-17-2006, 02:01 PM

In my opinion, the thing which seperates the space from defence & midfield is the defensive line not mentality.

Play a flat 4-4-2 with no arrows and watch a full match and just have everyone on the same settings for everything and just experiment altering the defensive line and have a see at the difference.

Mentality to me just affects how a player passes the ball around and how often he makes runs forward to find space etc...

retired_monica90 · 11-17-2006, 02:06 PM

Perhaps it's all about the old with/without ball system. The more attacking/defensive a players' mentality, the more/less they move forward/drop back when attacking/defending.

I'm having a stroke- chuck us one of those beers nonleague.

retired_jveklund · 11-17-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally posted by jep:
My take on the individual mentality issue has been that it is more to do with the positioning of a player in his "Zone" and that it also determines the decision making of your player in a certain situation and to a point how aggressive he is on the field.

Comment: This makes sense. Perhaps the individual setting determines how he should carry out his specific instructions? If that is the case, then a full back with lots of forward runs, through balls and crossing should have a higher mentality to avoid possible conflicts in his decision making process? And a player who is told to rarely do forward runs and rarely try through balls might benefit from a more defensive mentality?

For example a defender set on a defensive mentality would be less likely to challenge an opponent who enters his area (assuming zonal marking here) unless he was sure to get the ball. He would take less risks in his passing and tackling, and would more than likely take the "safe" option in any situation. If he was to have an attacking mentality however, he would be positioned in a higher area of his "Zone" and would take more risks in his passing and tackling to get the ball from an opponent and be more inclined to make a forward/positive pass to a team mate.

Maybe true. But how does this relate to creative freedom? I thought there was a general consensus that creative freedom is some sort of risk/reward agent? Perhaps creative freedom really is nothing more that a tool to determine how rigid you want a player to be regarding specific instructions? I can feel a head ache building up...

A team mentality works in conjunction with the individual mentalities and dictates your teams style of play. I don't think there is a case of mentalities "over-riding" each other - they work in tandem.

That is what the manual indicates, but I'm getting confused as to how this tandem arrangement is working out on the field.

I think a lot of the problems that people have when they create tactics is a lot of their instructions to players conflict each other. An attacking mentality for a defender would be coupled imho with a high closing down tactic. To let the defender be positive mentally and then tell him he can't close down an opponent would cause conflict in his decision making process. The same can be said for a fullback who is given a defensive mentality but told to make forward runs often - the poor chap wouldn't know whether to stay back or get upfield.

Exactly. That is what I believe is the case also. This means other individual instructions may also conflict with both team mentality and player mentality?

pat555 · 11-17-2006, 04:19 PM

Perhaps the indivdual mentaility labels are inappropirate. Perhaps its safter to say you have team mentality of Ultra Defensive <-> All out Attack and then individual mentality of Cautious <-> Audacious

Creative freedom would be the players license to move around their position or how much they play to your 'game-plan' (Tactics, Instructions)

So for example if you had your team playing Focus passing down the right wing but your right winger had a high CF, then he might take it upon himself to switch the play to the left wing even if the rest of the team were told to play it down the right wing.

Mentality discussion - what it actually does in both a team and an individual sense

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Mentality discussion - what it actually does in both a team and an individual sense