retired_wh0isj3ss3

Me & my friend is playing against eachother, both using global mentalities.
His Liverpool is at 3rd, with Attacking mentality, my Arsenal is at 4th with Defensive mentality (dissapointing I know!!!).

retired_dolly67601

To check out this theory, why don't you play a full match having everyone on individual mentality 1 but team mentality all out attack, then in the next game vice versa?

That way, you can analyse the differences?

retired_kellyk

Hmm I'm more inclined to believe a test like that if it was performed with the same match being played over and over again, with the same team and having the Assman do teamtalks. You should not also make player subs unless they are injured or sent off.

Ingame stats like no of passes and shots would be important. A good stat to look out for in that kind of a test would be the interceptions and tackles committed and where they came from. cos it would appear that logically speaking an attacking mentality should lead to more goals. Another thing of note would be to observe where the distribution of tackles is coming from, ie are the defenders overworked? something like that i would think.

Using the same match and repeating it 3 times would be sufficient. I know its a heck of a lot of work, but that's the way I used to test my notions. Back in the days when we had no 2D that's how we based our tactics creation on.

What do you guys think?

retired_sharonverm

Individual mentality DOES override team mentality. This has been discussed and concluded before. If you need solid proof of this, just change the team mentality a few clicks and then watch it change the players' individual instructions simultaneously. If these differing mentalities were actually seperate entities then the individual instructions would not be affected by global changes. If in fact this is incorrect (I believe SI confirmed it correct in 06), then the interface is flawed, since they should be two seperate selections.

retired_kellyk

Bean fest, did you mean to say team mentality overrides individual? You mentioned changing team to see the effects, so I assume you mean that.

retired_janearific

My take on the individual mentality issue has been that it is more to do with the positioning of a player in his "Zone" and that it also determines the decision making of your player in a certain situation and to a point how aggressive he is on the field.

For example a defender set on a defensive mentality would be less likely to challenge an opponent who enters his area (assuming zonal marking here) unless he was sure to get the ball. He would take less risks in his passing and tackling, and would more than likely take the "safe" option in any situation. If he was to have an attacking mentality however, he would be positioned in a higher area of his "Zone" and would take more risks in his passing and tackling to get the ball from an opponent and be more inclined to make a forward/positive pass to a team mate.

A team mentality works in conjunction with the individual mentalities and dictates your teams style of play. I don't think there is a case of mentalities "over-riding" each other - they work in tandem.

I think a lot of the problems that people have when they create tactics is a lot of their instructions to players conflict each other. An attacking mentality for a defender would be coupled imho with a high closing down tactic. To let the defender be positive mentally and then tell him he can't close down an opponent would cause conflict in his decision making process. The same can be said for a fullback who is given a defensive mentality but told to make forward runs often - the poor chap wouldn't know whether to stay back or get upfield.

I always decide first of all what style of football I want my team to play, just like panomaniac does. If I want my team to be attacking (which I do) I make sure my defenders mentality is set no lower than 10 or 11 ( at times they will need to be slightly defensive minded and this setting allows them to decide when that situation is necessary), and then gradually increase it through the team. I make sure we play a high closing down game and that all of my players (bar my central defenders) get the opportunity to make forward runs and attack, and that we play at a fast tempo.

A players mentality setting is the key though, and as long as all of the other individual instructions match a players mentality setting (and don't conflict with it), then you should see some success and get the best out of the players you have.

retired_dolly67601

Here's my take on it..

Individual Mentality overrides Team Mentality. However...... most of your team should be set on the same mentality (Team Mentality), bar two or 3 players who should have individual mentality.

For example, If you take a normal 4-4-2, no arrows or anything and set a team mentality of 15 for attacking. I would change just central defenders and one central midfielder to lower mentalities just so they stay back a bit. You wouldn't want half your team on low mentalities if you wanted to play attacking football.

Also, if you were playing away and were playing 5-4-1, I would set team mentality of 6, but maybe have your striker and wingers on attacking mentality, so that you're playing a compact defensive game with a couple of attacking outlets.

Does this make any sense?

retired_sharonverm

No, individual instructions override team instructions I am certain. If you don't make any changes to individual instructions then obviously they won't be overriden and your team will play globally meaning that every one of your players will be on whatever you have selected. I still feel though that it is definitely position specific—meaning that you are at risk playing your centre backs attacking, or you are limiting potential by playing attackers defensive. I don't feel that there is really such thing as an overall global mentality, merely that every position/player has a specific mentality and will act accordingly dependent on his attributes. Does this make any sense? I think I've had too much Red Bull.

retired_sharonverm

In my opinion, changing the overall mentality is just an easier way to set the mentality of the majority of the players who will be playing at that mentality. For example, if you know that 7 of your players will be playing mentality 16, then it just means less work when you change each player individually.

Another way to look at it is this: when you change passing for example globally, each players' passing changes accordingly. There's no difference to the way mentality works to say closing down or passing as I have mentioned. I am really struggling to speak now. Really sorry.

retired_dolly67601

I didn't say that individual overrides team. All I said was if you want to play attacking football, then most of your team should be set to attacking and just a couple to defensive