Shiekh 433 (Scramjet) superb tactic solid all round

retired_elpata · 11-13-2006, 10:17 AM

[quote]Originally posted by nonleague:

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Originally posted by rashidi1:
Oops sorry big mistake...i was getting you confused with someone else who was asking me for advice bout the 424...

Try doing this in your tactic away from home...barrow your fullbacks, set team mentality to defensive, have your DL at 12, and barrow the MC.

@ Rashidi
I think I will try the Barrow starting from now on the full backs to see if that improves things but your actally suggesting increasing my D Line from 10 to 12 for the Away tactic any particular reason as tbh I do have a slow defence.

Regarding barrowing the mc which one are you referring too as I have 3 central midfielders with the two outside ones being the defensive minded ones (maybe barrow both) ?

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Originally posted by cleon:
Nonleague, in the games away from home, have you tried the forwards with disganol arrows to AML/AMR positions?

Also have you tried someone who is not a targetman type of player in the FC position? On my formations with 3 strikers, i found out a pace striker with good technique was much better than a header of the ball. But that could just be how my tactic is set up.

Pace seems essential though for the FC when playing a 3 imo, id have pace as his core stat simply because of the space he gets a times, its good to have pace.[QUOTE/]

My FC is setup to be a big target man to get on the endof the crosses supplied from the wingers but he is rather slow (pace 9). I do have anotehr target man with pace 16 (Showumni) but he misses an awful lot of easy chances.

I have looked into what has changed and my target man is no longer winning the amount of balls in the air anymore compared to last season in League 1 and I feel that this maybe down to the improved quality of the oppositions defence in timing there headers better as he is still bigger than them (6'5) and a jumping stat of 16.

What would you suggest I do if I were to use the pace of an FC.. Would I opt to play balls for him to run onto and have him set as target man or do not use a target man at all?

Personally id not use him as a targetman at all.

retired_kellyk · 11-13-2006, 10:22 AM

When playing without a DMC you can't use a deep d line...the distance from the fullbacks to the MC is just too far...too many balls get punted into the air. I would suggest a normal DL..anything between 7-12 I think is normal. I have a 433, which has a Scram set up in front which has a 3 man midfield with one barrowed. My DL is 12 and it seems fine. I'm not saying it should be a rule...but i do suggest that having it at normal settings is.

retired_jjbluecowboy · 11-13-2006, 11:57 AM

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Originally posted by rashidi1:
When playing without a DMC you can't use a deep d line...the distance from the fullbacks to the MC is just too far...too many balls get punted into the air. I would suggest a normal DL..anything between 7-12 I think is normal. I have a 433, which has a Scram set up in front which has a 3 man midfield with one barrowed. My DL is 12 and it seems fine. I'm not saying it should be a rule...but i do suggest that having it at normal settings is.

I have been following this thread and I am a bit confused here. When you have one barrowed MC it means when you lose the ball he will withdraw to the DMC position and play as a DMC. But you'd still play with a high d-line here? Didn't you say you'd need a deep one with a DMC?

retired_elpata · 11-13-2006, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by nonleague:
Ok I made a few adjustments for my away game at a full strength Middlesboro side..

Barrowed 2 of my MC's
Lowered Mentality to last notch of Defensive
Barrowed my full backs

Lost 2-1 both goals were scored from failed corner clearances

. If there was any consolation was that we had high ratings.

May I add that im still using 6 players from the original Bristol City squad (2 defenders, gk, mc & fc). My wage budget is 48k(im allowed 62k) and my media prediction for the season is 16th so I do have quiet a poor side.

How many people do you bring back for set pieces? I only ever bring 5 back, and I find the opposition only send the same number up. The more players you keep upfield, the more players they keep back.

Its also best to no bring your DMC back to defend, the reason I say this is because if you do and the ball is cleared, there is noone in the DMC/MC position to retrive the ball and you just give possession back. Same can be said for wingers too

I got sick of the ball being cleared and coming straight back, so now I avoid that problem 75% of the time

retired_mirandas · 11-13-2006, 12:17 PM

Any chance you can post your updated tactic??? PLZ!!!!

retired_elpata · 11-13-2006, 12:28 PM

So you only have 1 player upfront? if so, this can be costly as you ahve noone to get the ball really if its cleared.

retired_kellyk · 11-13-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by HighlandKit:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by rashidi1:
When playing without a DMC you can't use a deep d line...the distance from the fullbacks to the MC is just too far...too many balls get punted into the air. I would suggest a normal DL..anything between 7-12 I think is normal. I have a 433, which has a Scram set up in front which has a 3 man midfield with one barrowed. My DL is 12 and it seems fine. I'm not saying it should be a rule...but i do suggest that having it at normal settings is.

I have been following this thread and I am a bit confused here. When you have one barrowed MC it means when you lose the ball he will withdraw to the DMC position and play as a DMC. But you'd still play with a high d-line here? Didn't you say you'd need a deep one with a DMC? </BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah I would..but i said the range should be between 7-12. Depending on the type of players you have. He will drop back but he is still an MC as far as the match engine concerned

retired_kellyk · 11-13-2006, 01:36 PM

One thing.. I find the defending from set pieces very dodgy, pre-patch. Thats cos people don't get picked up well. I'd suggest only keeping 2-3 players up when defending. I tend to keep 2 forward the rest are manmarking in case of a corner, 2 on posts, one closing down corner....when it comes to defending freekicks i've been having it on default because the current free kick routine is not good enough I think.

retired_kellyk · 11-13-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by nonleague:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Cleon:
So you only have 1 player upfront? if so, this can be costly as you ahve noone to get the ball really if its cleared.

It was 2 players up front before when defending corners but I had to bring 1 of em back (or at least I thought I had too

)as I thought that this would solve the problem. Im going to monitor now what happens with the set pieces as I have changed it slightly than what it was so I will see what happens. </BLOCKQUOTE>
Cleon is right, your defending routine could put you under too much pressure...

I would adjust by a) put one of your strikers to close down the corner...keep one striker and maybe, one of your midfielders forward. If the set piece routine is not working...you need to look at other things as well...perhaps your training needs looking at.

My set piece routines are ok, I do concede from free kicks more than corners..that's cos my players leave players unmarked.

retired_kellyk · 11-13-2006, 01:59 PM

You'll have to figure that out for yourself I guess...in my formation I still maintain it with a barrowed MC and he plays so well sitting in front of my back 4. Work on the defensive end first then work your way up.

Shiekh 433 (Scramjet) superb tactic solid all round

It's no use having a squad full of star players without a decent way for them to play their football.

Shiekh 433 (Scramjet) superb tactic solid all round