retired_Store32

Hi!

I have read most of the threads about these two settings, but I am not satisfied.

I feel I need to know exactly what those two stand for if I am going to continue with this game.

It would be nice to see what Marc V or someone from SI says about defensive line and closing down.

1. Defensive line= is it where your backline position themselves on the pitch when the opposition have the ball??

2. Closing down= is it where your forwards start to press the opposition when they have the ball.

I would be grateful if a reliable source from SI could explain it to me in detail.

My game experience would be so much more interesting if I finally really understood what those two settings really mean?

thanks in advance

Anders

retired_hope

1. I do not need convincing of this, other will disagree, but what do you think? You have played the game what were your observations.

2. Closing Down Principles was a theory based on the observations of myself and Rashidi. I have had great success with it and so have a number of other people.

Some are struggling with understanding it and some don't believe it is really what happens at all.

That's fine with me, all I say is try it, if you do not find it to be useful then play with what your experiences of the sliders tells you works. If you need more help in understanding it post your questions.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who follows him?

In terms of SI giving a deeper guidance on what the sliders do I think will come with FM2008, after all although they have not posted much here, I believe they do actually read the feedback.

Say this forum never existed, how else would your play improve at this game? You would play it and learn from observation, overtime you would hopefully improve.

All this forum allows us to do is exchange ideas and perhaps look at things from other people point of view.

retired_Cat1123

The thing is Leroy, if it was'nt for this forum and many others like it, i doubt the game would sell enough copies to keep it going?.

The game manual is almost as important to have as the game itself, yet the one provided for 07 is nothing short of ludicrous!.

Say for instance you were playing Tomb Raider and the manual did'nt include an instruction on how to make a certain jump?. Off course that'd just be one button, but what if it was a series of buttons, say 5 for instance, it would take a lot of luck and a lot of guesswork to be able to carry on playing the game?.

This is whats wrong with this game, to much guesswork, the instructions should be there to allow you to make that jump, but not to make it for you, however the manual for this game does'nt include that!.

retired_hope

I think you overestimate the importance of this forum. The people on here only represent a vocal minority of the people that play this game.

Some in fact would probably enjoy it more if they stayed well clear of message boards like these.

That it true for a game like tomb raider, but not for football manager.

The trouble is that in this game you have no control over you players actions. The slider system allows you to influence how they act, but does not control them.

This is one reason why the slider descriptions are more conceptual, because of the multitude of scenario's that occur, not just in one match, but every match you ever play.

I don't think the manual is that bad, it's a lot better than FM2006 and I think that in conjunction with MV Hints and Tips, the in game hints you get an understanding of the conceptual idea behind what they do.

I think FM2008 will flesh this out even further.

retired_Cat1123

Afraid i dont agree, Alex Ferguson would struggle to succeed with this game, most of what hold's it together is not football based at all!.

Imagine him putting a fast striker who's good in the air against a slow full back with no heading ability, yet his player is losing a big % of headers and getting outpaced to the ball everytime?.

He'd tell you the same as me, the match engine is a bust and simply does'nt work!.

retired_hope

Fair enough Hammer, that your view and I respect it.

I on the other hand am having success with this game. I feel that I have a pretty good grasp of how to influence my players though tactical instruction and can usually work out why certain situations have occured.

Now I'm not Sir Alex Ferguson, but this isn't really football, if you want that you will have to go and play it in the local park.

It surprises me why, if this is your view on the game that you still put in the effort to post your views on it, if it is bust then why waste your time playing it?

retired_Cat1123

Simply because i've been playing the series from day 1, yet apart from the removal of super tactics, the match engine is still in the dark ages and i deserve to have my two penneth when i lay out £25 for a piece of **** game, that was better 10 years ago!.

retired_hope

I don't doubt your right to post about the game, just why bother with it in the first place if that is your view, seems a waste of your time and money that's all.

retired_elpata

Simply because i've been playing the series from day 1, yet apart from the removal of super tactics, the match engine is still in the dark ages and i deserve to have my two penneth when i lay out £25 for a piece of **** game, that was better 10 years ago!. </BLOCKQUOTE>

If the game is that crap then spending £25 a year on it makes you a idiot. Why would you buy something just because you have done from day 1, if you get no enjoyment out of it?

Also can you explain how exactly the match engine is still in the dark ages?! Name one football simulation game with a better match engine....the truth is you can't.

Now back to topic..

1) Basically yes, test different settings while in game and you should see a difference in terms of positions on the pitch.

2) I agree with Leroy and Rashidi on this you might wanna find that thread, I always used simliar approach myself.

The manual is actually pretty clear about these two in my opinion. I admit the manual can be made more helpful, but it covers and explains the basics easily. The forums are for the more detailed discussions thats the main reason they are here.

I'm not too sure much will change or be explained. If they did, then this forum becomes quite obsulete in terms of dicussion. I think they might make it more clear what the sliders do but thats as far as it will go. But thats just my opinion anyways.

Indeed

OFC it would, the forums dont represent half of the people who play this game....

Its done in the same detail as any previous version of the game.

Poor example that.

A simulation/management game is based on guess work. Its a strategy after all....

But it is included, it gives you the basis to understand what each slider is for. The rest is down to you to try it out and see what sort of reaction you get from the sliders.

Have you ever thought there is no clear cut answer as it will be different for each person who plays the game, due to other factors like tempo...weather etc that have a baring effect on things.

I agree

Nice and clear, many people dont seem to understand this.

Exactly!!!

While this game is supposed to simulate real football, is is not a direct mirror of real world football as that will never be achieved. At the end of the day, its still only a game. Something can be compared to real world football but others cannot.

But its not bust though.

The match engine needs work and always will, FM is a progression not a revolution. If it was bust noone would have success on the game.

retired_Cat1123

Hardly, taken in a little by promises of improvement and realism maybe?.

There is'nt one, but that does'nt make FM07 great, just the best of a very bad bunch!.

Maybe not, but everyone i know who played this game without the help of the forum's have quit playing it!.

Yes, but with the amount of changes made to 07, that simply is'nt good enough anymore!.

I said it WAS a bust, as in awful, rotten and p*ss poor!.

Like i've said before, the game is'nt difficult just bad and completely unrealistic!.

This version is the worst yet, because the improvements made to make it look better have not been backed up with the same effort to make it play better!.

To any true fans of the beautiful game FM07 is a nightmare!.