Cleon

Theres a thing called a demo, download that before you buy? If you did that and enjoyed it so went out and bought the game then your taste must have changed.
But still, buyin a game that you think is stuck in the dark ages is a bit silly if you dont enjoy it.

I never said it was great, but I want to know what makes you think the engine is in the dark ages. You must be comparing it to something to come up with that. If you are comparing the current match engine to older versions and cannot see ways it has improved and see its a lot better now then your deluded.

You and your friends are a small minority, the same as most who complain its too hard etc.

Nothing major changed in terms of tactics compared to 06 though.....

bust = broken doesn't work. I was pointing out it does.

OFC its unrealistic its a game.

Show proof that its worse...in your opinion you might think that but its not fact.

Not really, it needs a lot of work still but its still the best version yet thats a fact.

arteta is god

I think I would disagree that the slider explanations are conceptual; they are more along the lines of ambiguous or farcical. I would prefer that people steer clear of supporting the manual in any way they can. I think you all know how bad it really is. I don't think Hammer's Tomb Raider comparison is a bad one at all actually. Let us keep in mind that the 'instruction booklet' is full of falsehoods and contradictions. Christ, we've done enough testing to prove this. 07 is a good game. It's definitely the best out there, but there has obviously been a failure on SI's part in communicating the slider system. Otherwise, why would there be so much discontent?

Cleon, you keep mentioning that the people that claim the game is too hard/ambiguous are a minority. Well you stated already that this forum contains only a minority spread of folks, so how can you conclude that it IS only a minority that share Hammer's (and mine to a certain extent) and many others' sentiments? It's an awfully large claim don't you think? Perhaps we only make up 20% of the fan base. Well what about the 80% that don't even know or care about our little tactical haven? How do you know that they (the majority) aren't even more lost than the people in here? Clearly there is discontent with a section of the fan base, and the law of probability states that thousands more people are too. Even if 30% of the people in this forum are not satisfied with the game (and if you read the poll in the general forum it may be more), and we assume that 30% of the total number that own the game are dissatisfied, then that is a shizer load of disgruntled fans; and that's me giving a generous 30%. What if it's more? What if YOU are in the minority? All I'm saying is, you don't really have the right to speak for everyone. Also, I think it's a little out of order calling Hammer an idiot. If we put the show on the other foot for a minute and he did the same, the lad may have been banned. Not having a go, but I AM standing up for justice and democracy

Cleon

Thats easy, check throughout all the other SI forums and fansites and you will see most people have plenty of success. There is more people claiming success that there is struggling.

I'm not speaking for everyone, check out the polls that have been made in magazines, sites and various other sources. And you will find out that people who are not happy with the scale scale about 5% and not much more.

Your forgetting tht most people who use the tactic forum and GQ are people who actually stuggle with the game so and threads and polls in those sectios are quite misleading. Look at all the members thisn site as alone and you will see that less that 10% say they struggle.

The game is far from perfect I agree, but its also playable and not as bad as people make out. All thats wrong is people getting confused by thing. Take you for example and I dont mean this in a bad way, but you been trying to figure out what width does etc. And its clear in the manual and visual effects what it does, yet it took you all this time to figure it out. Some of the stuff you discuss is hard and complex to understand I admit that, but a lot of what you have been discussing is pretty simple and does exactly what it says in the manual, yet you spend weeks figuring out what it did.

Im not knocking you or anything as your threads are well written and you show things clearly and I enjoy reading som of them.

He wouldnt have been banned at all as I would have been an idiot if I did the same. I do think only an idiot would spend £25 on something they do not enjoy every year.

moggydave

I have a dream that one day this game will rise up and live out the true meaning of it's creed: "Think like a manager".

I have a dream that one day on the blue hills of the SI forums the game's defenders and games attackers will be able to sit down together at the forum of brotherhood.

I have a dream that one day, even the tactics and training forum, a forum sweltering with the heat of injustice, zealous mods and personal jibes stubborn complainers, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that one day my Blackburn Rovers team will play in a game where it not be judged by the quality of it's manager, but simply because it is awesome and deserves to win by right.

I have a dream today.

I have a dream, that one day, down in SI towers, a place with t's vicious programmers, researchers who clearly overrate English teams (especially Arsenal...), little FM fans and little FM whiners will join hands as sisters and brothers.

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The sarcasm meter is off the chart...!!!!

moggydave

I also have a dream that one day we might be able to edit posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

arteta is god

Cleon,

The reason I am carrying out my experiment is because the manual simply can not be trusted. Sure, some of the sliders are clearly visible and are glaringly obvious on the pitch, but I simply can not trust the definitions. You would think that width could at least be explained sufficiently, but let's take the narrow width manual description:

Your players will be looking to deny the opposition space through the middle of the pitch

This is a little misleading since width only comes into play when you are in possession. The manual makes it sound as though your players will assume a narrow position when defending. It is clear to me now that all teams defend naturally narrow regardless of width, so it's not necessary to defend narrow to 'deny the opposition space.' Don't even get me started on the defensive line and the manual definition. I don't agree that any of the stuff is complex to understand once you experiment a bit. But why should I have to in the first place? Surely the manual is not acceptable in its current state. The closing down segment of the manual is still using the old 'own area', 'own half,' and 'all over' definitions when in-game, closing down is rarely > often! Yes, I agree that some of my experiments are repetitive and really are common sense, but in the name of science it is only right that I test all sliders equally and with equal love and affection. And hopefully if we all agree on my findings, that particularly thread could be a decent reference guide for those folks who don't understand the game of football like we do.

And as for Hammer, if you were going to discuss his idiocy, I would have touched more upon the team he follows

Hammer1000

Arteta - Thank's for that fella, i think we are all aware of what would have happened had i called into question Cleon's idiocy?.

I would'nt get away with saying that he must have cheated a number of times to get his Sheffield Utd project to come out as it did either, although that is what i believe!.

People do cheat at the game though and when i hear "this just does'nt happen to me" that usually sets the alarm bell's ringing in my head!.

As for the team i support, it was simply a matter of geography and family ties to the club over a number of years.(although i'd like to think that had that not been the case, i'd have had the good sense to follow my beloved Hammer's anyway!).

(By the way, i do realise you were pulling my leg!). :p

moggydave

I think your being a bit harsh. I can't answer for Cleon but I have said to you a number of times that certain things that happen to you don't to me and I definitely don't cheat.

And at least you don't support Fulham (just one thing I can't understand - why would anyone support Fulham? )