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Old 02-09-2008, 06:02 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #1
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There have been a lot of threads over the years calling for the intorduction of difficulty levels, this is something I disagree with as the game should have a natural difficulty selector built in, if you want to have quite a lot of money and a fair chance of winning the league choose chelsea or man utd. below this level though the game is still extremely easy, take the example of Liverpool, havent won a league in 20 years (and may not win one for the forseeable future) however it is no mean feat to win hte league in the first 1-2 seasons.

This problem gets more ridiculous as you drop down a level, I enjoy playing with Portsmouth, and hav efound myself winning the league within no more than 4 season on FM2008 (and 2007). In reality you should have to be a damn good manager to even break into the top 4 consistently, let alone be able to win back to back leagues and champions leagues within 10 years, this should be next to impossible.

The situation gets worse as you drop down levels, its not unusual to see Derby County regularly challenging for a CL spot within 4-5 years, and as you get further into the game the probelm gets worse. I'm expecting people to show me some examples of temas doing this in real life, and I accept it does happen and should be possible in the game, however it should be much more rare than it is now. Anybody who has played lower league games will know its not that uncommon to win back to back promotions, and to go from the lowest end of the league to the summit of the world game in a surprisingly short amount of seasons. Again, this should be possible, however there should only be 1-2 people per year who are able to manage a feat such as this in FM, not pretty much everybody who has a go.

It would be much more enjoyable to me if it was a really hard challenge to take a premier league relegation candidate to be able to make consistent top 6 finishes, and if you're really good to break into hte big 4, however the reality is it is pretty damn easy to go from strugglers to domination within 10 years.
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:12 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #2
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it's been years since I had really long game, so maybe I'm not person to comment on this. but I must agree with you. it's really weird to win league after league when playing LLM. or CL with portsmouth, such situations should be extremly rare. but that's our opinoum, I believe many will disagree here.

it's all down to AI inteligence. in ME, in transfers in management. and this should be this games prime concern.
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:16 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #3
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Originally posted by wonglf:
There have been a lot of threads over the years calling for the intorduction of difficulty levels, this is something I disagree with as the game should have a natural difficulty selector built in, if you want to have quite a lot of money and a fair chance of winning the league choose chelsea or man utd. below this level though the game is still extremely easy, take the example of Liverpool, havent won a league in 20 years (and may not win one for the forseeable future) however it is no mean feat to win hte league in the first 1-2 seasons.

This problem gets more ridiculous as you drop down a level, I enjoy playing with Portsmouth, and hav efound myself winning the league within no more than 4 season on FM2008 (and 2007). In reality you should have to be a damn good manager to even break into the top 4 consistently, let alone be able to win back to back leagues and champions leagues within 10 years, this should be next to impossible.

The situation gets worse as you drop down levels, its not unusual to see Derby County regularly challenging for a CL spot within 4-5 years, and as you get further into the game the probelm gets worse. I'm expecting people to show me some examples of temas doing this in real life, and I accept it does happen and should be possible in the game, however it should be much more rare than it is now. Anybody who has played lower league games will know its not that uncommon to win back to back promotions, and to go from the lowest end of the league to the summit of the world game in a surprisingly short amount of seasons. Again, this should be possible, however there should only be 1-2 people per year who are able to manage a feat such as this in FM, not pretty much everybody who has a go.

It would be much more enjoyable to me if it was a really hard challenge to take a premier league relegation candidate to be able to make consistent top 6 finishes, and if you're really good to break into hte big 4, however the reality is it is pretty damn easy to go from strugglers to domination within 10 years.
Admit it. You don't really care! You just came on to boast :p
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:21 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #4
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your just a good manager, its all about the signings you do isnt it really, i have manager to get Brighton in Championsleague and i played 8 seasons, and now in my 9th....havent won anything yet, promoted second both times
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:28 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #5
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Originally posted by Mitja:
it's been years since I had really long game, so maybe I'm not person to comment on this. but I must agree with you. it's really weird to win league after league when playing LLM. or CL with portsmouth, such situations should be extremly rare. but that's our opinoum, I believe many will disagree here.

it's all down to AI inteligence. in ME, in transfers in management. and this should be this games prime concern.
Actually winning something should be rare? What's the whole point of actually playing the game then?
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:33 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #6
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Originally posted by Yalcin:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Mitja:
it's been years since I had really long game, so maybe I'm not person to comment on this. but I must agree with you. it's really weird to win league after league when playing LLM. or CL with portsmouth, such situations should be extremly rare. but that's our opinoum, I believe many will disagree here.

it's all down to AI inteligence. in ME, in transfers in management. and this should be this games prime concern.
Actually winning something should be rare? What's the whole point of actually playing the game then? </BLOCKQUOTE>

I said that's my opinoum.

what's the point of game, whe you win EPL in 2nd season with portsmouth?
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:34 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #7
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There have been a lot of threads over the years calling for the intorduction of difficulty levels, this is something I disagree with as the game should have a natural difficulty selector built in, if you want to have quite a lot of money and a fair chance of winning the league choose chelsea or man utd. below this level though the game is still extremely easy, take the example of Liverpool, havent won a league in 20 years (and may not win one for the forseeable future) however it is no mean feat to win hte league in the first 1-2 seasons.

This problem gets more ridiculous as you drop down a level, I enjoy playing with Portsmouth, and hav efound myself winning the league within no more than 4 season on FM2008 (and 2007). In reality you should have to be a damn good manager to even break into the top 4 consistently, let alone be able to win back to back leagues and champions leagues within 10 years, this should be next to impossible.

The situation gets worse as you drop down levels, its not unusual to see Derby County regularly challenging for a CL spot within 4-5 years, and as you get further into the game the probelm gets worse. I'm expecting people to show me some examples of temas doing this in real life, and I accept it does happen and should be possible in the game, however it should be much more rare than it is now. Anybody who has played lower league games will know its not that uncommon to win back to back promotions, and to go from the lowest end of the league to the summit of the world game in a surprisingly short amount of seasons. Again, this should be possible, however there should only be 1-2 people per year who are able to manage a feat such as this in FM, not pretty much everybody who has a go.

It would be much more enjoyable to me if it was a really hard challenge to take a premier league relegation candidate to be able to make consistent top 6 finishes, and if you're really good to break into hte big 4, however the reality is it is pretty damn easy to go from strugglers to domination within 10 years.

So what do you want, a game you love but most people hate? A lot of people find this game "hard", any harder the product WILL DIE!

To bang a well banged drum, the problem is probably game consistantsy, and definitely a game intuitivity problem, rather than a "difficulty" issue.

For the millionth time, if SI released a manual that explained how everything worked and gave examples then we may be on the right track - they coded the thing, didnt they?

The current piece of garbage (so called manual) makes playing the game like trying to service a car using the highway code as a guide.
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:37 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #8
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I wish it was something worth baosting about, the reality is that I really dont think i'm that good at this game (i wouldnt say that about call of duty 4 though, i'm almost god like, lol), all of my firends who play the FM series with teams other than man utd and real madrid can perform to the same level. In my portsmouth game (which annoyling has a bug in about 2015 where it keeps minimising and saying it cant load my fixtures, i had to stop playing it) within a couple of seasons i had bebartov, bale, akinfeev, saviola, tevez, pato, mascherano, fernandez, lots of players who are young and people may not have heard of so i wont mention them, and other top players. this is absolutely absurd, irl a team of portsmouths standard would be luck to attract one of these players, let alone all of them, unless they had a chelsea style takeover, which i didnt
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:40 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #9
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Originally posted by tigerhgrrrrrr:
<BLOCKQUOTE>There have been a lot of threads over the years calling for the intorduction of difficulty levels, this is something I disagree with as the game should have a natural difficulty selector built in, if you want to have quite a lot of money and a fair chance of winning the league choose chelsea or man utd. below this level though the game is still extremely easy, take the example of Liverpool, havent won a league in 20 years (and may not win one for the forseeable future) however it is no mean feat to win hte league in the first 1-2 seasons.

This problem gets more ridiculous as you drop down a level, I enjoy playing with Portsmouth, and hav efound myself winning the league within no more than 4 season on FM2008 (and 2007). In reality you should have to be a damn good manager to even break into the top 4 consistently, let alone be able to win back to back leagues and champions leagues within 10 years, this should be next to impossible.

The situation gets worse as you drop down levels, its not unusual to see Derby County regularly challenging for a CL spot within 4-5 years, and as you get further into the game the probelm gets worse. I'm expecting people to show me some examples of temas doing this in real life, and I accept it does happen and should be possible in the game, however it should be much more rare than it is now. Anybody who has played lower league games will know its not that uncommon to win back to back promotions, and to go from the lowest end of the league to the summit of the world game in a surprisingly short amount of seasons. Again, this should be possible, however there should only be 1-2 people per year who are able to manage a feat such as this in FM, not pretty much everybody who has a go.

It would be much more enjoyable to me if it was a really hard challenge to take a premier league relegation candidate to be able to make consistent top 6 finishes, and if you're really good to break into hte big 4, however the reality is it is pretty damn easy to go from strugglers to domination within 10 years.

So what do you want, a game you love but most people hate? A lot of people find this game "hard", any harder the product WILL DIE!

To bang a well banged drum, the problem is probably game consistantsy, and definitely a game intuitivity problem, rather than a "difficulty" issue.

For the millionth time, if SI released a manual that explained how everything worked and gave examples then we may be on the right track - they coded the thing, didnt they?

The current piece of garbage (so called manual) makes playing the game like trying to service a car using the highway code as a guide. </BLOCKQUOTE>

I dont know anybody who finds this game hard, with a top team like chelsea or man utd anybody can win hte league or challenge pretty close to it, i'm playing a man utd game while im waiting for the update and its stupidly easy, you pick the big players who you've heard of in the positions you know they play, you dont waste your time with any of the tactics (or if you do you set them to the pre approved SI ones, its what i do, although i resest the attacking mentality to team for all but the CBs and GK). in my second season i'm 12 wins from 12 and havent conceeded a goal yet.
what is hard about doing this????
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Old 02-09-2008, 06:42 PM   FM2008 too easy to win the league Post #10
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Originally posted by Yalcin:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Mitja:
it's been years since I had really long game, so maybe I'm not person to comment on this. but I must agree with you. it's really weird to win league after league when playing LLM. or CL with portsmouth, such situations should be extremly rare. but that's our opinoum, I believe many will disagree here.

it's all down to AI inteligence. in ME, in transfers in management. and this should be this games prime concern.
Actually winning something should be rare? What's the whole point of actually playing the game then? </BLOCKQUOTE>

to bring a team up to start winning things
certainly not to be winning things with no effort at all
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