Barrows, Farrows and Sarrows, just what exactly they?

retired_thedizzyangel · 11-17-2006, 01:02 PM

Well hands up you got me

alien55 · 11-17-2006, 01:54 PM

I have a theory that may help testing some stuff about arrows but unfortunately I do not have my linux machine now. When using VMware on linux, you can save the "state" of the machine. This means saving all the random seeds as well.

The story is; when you save the "state" of the virtual windows just before clicking "start" before a game, you get the same game no matter how many times you reload the state and click the start button. I mean the same match report and the same result... the same everything because the random seeds are stored as well.

So, using a tactic with no MC's or DMC's but a single AMC, one should save the state of the virtual machine just before starting the game, and run the game twice: 1- put the player in AMC position to MC position and give a barrow 2- put the player in the AMC position to DMC position and give a farrow. all other instructions should be the same.

after watching the "same" game with the same player playing DMC farrowed in one game and MC barrowed in the other, one can see if there is a difference.

But as I said, I do not have my linux pc anymore, so I need a volunteer who has that can test this.

retired_elpata · 11-17-2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by praxiteles:
I have a theory that may help testing some stuff about arrows but unfortunately I do not have my linux machine now. When using VMware on linux, you can save the "state" of the machine. This means saving all the random seeds as well.

The story is; when you save the "state" of the virtual windows just before clicking "start" before a game, you get the same game no matter how many times you reload the state and click the start button. I mean the same match report and the same result... the same everything because the random seeds are stored as well.

So, using a tactic with no MC's or DMC's but a single AMC, one should save the state of the virtual machine just before starting the game, and run the game twice: 1- put the player in AMC position to MC position and give a barrow 2- put the player in the AMC position to DMC position and give a farrow. all other instructions should be the same.

after watching the "same" game with the same player playing DMC farrowed in one game and MC barrowed in the other, one can see if there is a difference.

But as I said, I do not have my linux pc anymore, so I need a volunteer who has that can test this.

But when you made a change, FM recalculates so would override it.

retired_domustcr · 11-17-2006, 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by Cleon:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Buxton:
The Sarrows definitely work defensively too, to give you another example I gave both my FC's a short SBarrow (thats a new one) to the AMR/L position and they dropped back and to the wings when I didn't have the ball.

You've got to remember too that other factors influence all of this debate, namely a players favoured moves i.e moving out to the wings

Thats how I have the the FC's set up for the W-M, or atleast i think it is.

Like this? </BLOCKQUOTE>

how did you fare with this tactic?looks good though

retired_sexy_chili25 · 11-19-2006, 07:11 AM

Slightly off topic but then its getting pritty random anyways :p

Whats TBB stand for ?

retired_sexy_chili25 · 11-19-2006, 07:11 AM

or was it TTB :o forgot now

bmesc33 · 11-20-2006, 12:01 PM

Ok, Ive tried reading through most of this stuff but there is still one thing I am not clear on... what player playes best when one puts arrows? If you give a DMC a barrow should he then ideally be a D/DM, or can a regular DM with no abilities as a Dc do just as well?

My main problems come in midfield and with farrows on my midfielders. Never know what players I should play MCs or AMCs...

From this thread I would guess that its best to play the player who fits the starting postition... right?

retired_dolly67601 · 11-20-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally posted by alin1975:
Ok, Ive tried reading through most of this stuff but there is still one thing I am not clear on... what player playes best when one puts arrows? If you give a DMC a barrow should he then ideally be a D/DM, or can a regular DM with no abilities as a Dc do just as well?

My main problems come in midfield and with farrows on my midfielders. Never know what players I should play MCs or AMCs...

From this thread I would guess that its best to play the player who fits the starting postition... right?

If you have an MC with an arrow to the AMC position, as long as he's got good attacking attributes, you can use a normal MC in that role

retired_elpata · 11-20-2006, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Noel Gallagher:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by alin1975:
Ok, Ive tried reading through most of this stuff but there is still one thing I am not clear on... what player playes best when one puts arrows? If you give a DMC a barrow should he then ideally be a D/DM, or can a regular DM with no abilities as a Dc do just as well?

My main problems come in midfield and with farrows on my midfielders. Never know what players I should play MCs or AMCs...

From this thread I would guess that its best to play the player who fits the starting postition... right?

If you have an MC with an arrow to the AMC position, as long as he's got good attacking attributes, you can use a normal MC in that role </BLOCKQUOTE>

And vice versa for the DMC

retired_4Him · 11-20-2006, 12:23 PM

Quote:

When using VMware on linux, you can save the "state" of the machine.

You can do this on vmware for windows as well.

Quote:

So, using a tactic with no MC's or DMC's but a single AMC, one should save the state of the virtual machine just before starting the game, and run the game twice: 1- put the player in AMC position to MC position and give a barrow 2- put the player in the AMC position to DMC position and give a farrow. all other instructions should be the same.

Yeah, won't work, as Cleon rightly stated.

Barrows, Farrows and Sarrows, just what exactly they?

It's no use having a squad full of star players without a decent way for them to play their football.

Barrows, Farrows and Sarrows, just what exactly they?